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My friend needs help with this armylist, he has no idea on how chaos strategy works so he actually needs a gakload of help.. he's pretty much a noob, I am too. critisize, and when the list is done help us out on what a good strategy is for this list.
here we go.

HQ: Daemon Prince w/ wings, mark of nurgle and nurgles rot. 165pts.

Elite : 5 possessed, one aspiring champ, icon of nurgle and a rhino as dedicated vehicle. 230pts.
5 Terminators, w/ icon of nurgle, they are all champions, 2 powerfists, one chainfist, one combi-weapon and one reaper auto cannon. 305pts.

Troops : 10 Plague Marines, one plague champ, one powerfist, one plasmapistol and one plasmagun. 290pts.
10 Khorne Berzerks, one skullchamp with powerweap and plasmapistol. 255pts.

Fast Attack : 3 Chaos Spawns. 120pts.

Heavy Support : Defiler, with havoc launcher and twin-linked lascannon. 175pts.

total models : 36.
total points : 1500.

dont hold the critisism back, he wants to have a general strategy but NOT a cheese-list. He just wants to be able to win about 3 out of 5 normal games.

Thank you!

Welcome to Chaos where we used to be one of the baddest guys on the block. Ok here is what I would do and it is only my opinion.

1. If you are sold on a Daemon Prince for your HQ then I would either choose Slaanesh or Tzeentch as your Mark. I prefer a Termie Lord with MoK and a daemon weapon.

2. Drop the Possessed as they are unreliable and will get mowed down.

3. I dont mind the Terminator choice but I would make them Slaanesh for the +1 I. Then give them all Power weapons to take advantage of this.

4. Drop the Chaos Spawn they are not worth it.

5. Defilers I am not a fan of and I wouldnt give it a TL Lascannon. That is a lot of points for that vehicle and for another 50 points or so you can get a LR that can be a transport for your Termies and comes with 2 TL lascannons.

6. For your Plaguemarines I would drop all plasma weapons and pick up their 2 meltagun options and of course put them in a rhino.

7. Khorne looks good but again you need a rhino and its just me but I would drop the plasma as well.

8. Look to getting more troops as in 1500 pts you should have at least 3 troops.

9. For taking out vehicles look to oblits or I like a 5 man chosen squad with melta weapons and mark of tzeentch for survival in a rhino.

That is my thoughts and I usually am very competitive or I win with all my battles.

Enjoy !

I'd say the problem with what you suggested is that he's trying to go for a Nurgle themed army, although the addition of Khorne Berzerkers kind of throw that off. It can sometimes be hard to make a totally themed army competitive, but where's the fun in winning all the time if you don't even like your army? Obliterators are really quite nice, though, and yeah Possessed are notorious for sucking. I know this is kind of off-topic, but, in Fantasy Battles, I typically take Forsaken because A) It's more likely that they'll reach CC, and B) Hilarity always ensues when you have Forsaken. Reminds me of the time my Forsaken were engaged with Rat Ogres and ended up taking about 3 wounds from them. I made all of their 6+ saves immediately and proceeded to kill the Rat Ogres.

Your right he did say he was going for a themed Nurgle army. I saw the khorne troops and forgot that. If I was playing a themed Nurgle army I would take lots of Nurgle troops with meltas and a rhino. Furthermore I would use their magic number of seven for all their squads. But then again I always play with the gods magic numbers even though it no longer does anything anymore.

HQ: Daemon Prince w/ wings, mark of nurgle and nurgles rot. 165pts.

Elite : 5 Terminators, w/ icon of nurgle, they are all champions, 5 combi-weapons and 5 PF. 315pts

Troops : 3x7 Plague Marines, one plague champ w/ one powerfist, 2 Meltaguns. 483pts.
10 Khorne Berzerks, one skull-champ with powerweap and plasmapistol, they have a Rhino w/ TLB as dedicated transport . 295pts.
One of the Plague Marine squads have a Rhino w/ TLB as dedicated transport . 40

Heavy Support : Defiler, with havoc launcher and CCA. 125pts.

total models : 39
total points : 1423

What should i do with the rest of my points?
Thanks soo far!

Chaos Defiler : 150 base points m8

Anyway with the rest if i were you id reinforce your squads.

Eek. Not much I can suggest, except start over

Nurgle's rot is trash, honestly.
Possessed? wtf? Drop them.
Those termies are meh, IMO. A random chainfist won't do any good, might as well just give them all lightning claws or a powerfist.
Troops seem okay. Put them in rhinos and pay the extra five points for another powerfist for those zerkers.

Spawn? Do I even need to say it?
Defiler seems okay, drop both additions though. Neither are worth it.

HQ: Daemon Prince w/ wings, mark of nurgle and nurgles rot. 165pts.

Drop Nurgle's Rot. Add Warptime. Proceed to own.

Elite : 5 possessed, one aspiring champ, icon of nurgle and a rhino as dedicated vehicle. 230pts.

I have used the possessed before and in my experience they are ok. They can be great, but are very random and really have one role; counter charge. I would take 2 more as 5 is such a low number or drop them.

5 Terminators, w/ icon of nurgle, they are all champions, 2 powerfists, one chainfist, one combi-weapon and one reaper auto cannon. 305pts.

This squad is just horrible. They should not be champions; at the point cost you can get over another terminator. 2 Powerfists in a squad of 5 is enough. the Reaper auto cannon is trash. Overall, this squad is just mixed up, bloated and has no role. I CSM they need to be assault based in a landraider or a 3 man combimelta termicide squad who deepstrike and kill tanks. I'd drop to that.

Troops : 10 Plague Marines, one plague champ, one powerfist, one plasmapistol and one plasmagun. 290pts.

Drop to 7 strong squads, 2 of the same assault weapon, and one should be a champ with a powerfist. Add a Rhino. This will cost around 260 points. Never take a plasma pistol on anything.

10 Khorne Berzerks, one skullchamp with powerweap and plasmapistol. 255pts.

Drop these guys if you want to be a Nurgle only force. If he is set on keeping them then add a powerfist to the skullchamp and a rhino to the squad and drop to 8 strong.

Fast Attack : 3 Chaos Spawns. 120pts.

Put these guys in the bits box. They are horrible.

Heavy Support : Defiler, with havoc launcher and twin-linked lascannon. 175pts.

I'd run the Defiler with 4 DCCW and the battlecannon. If you shoot the cannon you can't shoot the other guns anyway. This way the Defiler can creep up to be used in CC later in the game.

Overall, I'd drop the Berzerkers for another 7 man PM squad in a rhino. Drop the Spawn, Possessed, and cut the terminators down to 3. Then add 2 more choices in the Heavy Support section for range. If you have points Lesser Daemons Summoned via Icon have never done me wrong.

Plight wrote:Your right he did say he was going for a themed Nurgle army. I saw the khorne troops and forgot that. If I was playing a themed Nurgle army I would take lots of Nurgle troops with meltas and a rhino. Furthermore I would use their magic number of seven for all their squads. But then again I always play with the gods magic numbers even though it no longer does anything anymore.

Wait, their magic numbers actually did something at one point? Oh wow, that would have been awesome. But yeah, I don't know how much use I'd be in this thread, as I'm a noob to 40k. I typically play Fantasy, and even then I'm still kind of new to that as well. Also, I don't know jack about Nurgle.

new list, what do you think.
I've cut the spawns and possessed and add one more PM squad and put PF and CW on all my termis + 1 termi.

HQ: Daemon Prince w/ wings, mark of nurgle and Warptime. 175pts.

Elite : 6 Terminators, w/ icon of khorne, they are all champions, 5 combi-weapons and 5 PF. 355pts

Troops : 3x7 Plague Marines, one plague champ w/ one powerfist, 2 Meltaguns. 483pts.
10 Khorne Berzerks, one skull-champ with powerweap and plasmapistol, they have a Rhino w/ TLB as dedicated transport . 295pts.
One of the Plague Marine squads have a Rhino w/ TLB as dedicated transport . 40

Heavy Support : Defiler, with 2 CCA. 150pts.

total models : 40
total points : 1498

Is this good, can i win 75% of my matches, if not what to do?
Thanks soo far!

Ah, you're just gonna do Nurgle and Khorne? Very cool, they're a pair who have been seen together quite a bit. You're now imagining a Nurgle/Khorne Fanfic, incidentally.

I'm going to once again say that I'm new to Warhammer 40k, but I can tell you that one of the best ways to learn about what works for you is through experience. Just play a few games and experiment. It's surprising how much it can help.

Looks better. I say give it a test run and let us know how you went. Personally I like it but nothing beats play testing to see if a list works.

Gl and let us know how you do

Also, there's no telling how many wins an army build can get. Sure, you can work on maximizing the possibility of winning, but you never know when some guy who built a hilariously slowed list for the lulz (Like me) comes along and beats you into the ground simply because Tzeentch found his list amusing and decided to give him sixes up the wazoo. See: what I said about forsaken earlier.

Okay, so I'm gonna stick to this one and see what happens.

The reason I wrote the "could I win 75% of the time?"-thing was to clarify I don't want an "unbeatable" list (and yes, I do also realise theres no such thing). But, one that can, from your experience, probably beat more than half of the lists out there.

If its a Nurgle list, then I'd get rid of the Khorne Beserkers and have more Plague Marines. Also, either take big units, or no units, meaning either take a full unit of 10 Possessed or as many Termies as possible rather than the Possessed, but don't take to smaller units.

Might I suggest:

HQ
Chaos Lord
Mark of Nurgle
Terminator Armour
Chainfist
Combi-Melta
170

ELITES
Chaos Terminators (4 man)
X 4 Chainfists
X 4 Combi-Meltas
Mark of Nurgle
240
Land Raider
220

Greater Daemon
100

TROOPS
Plague Marines (10 man)
Plague Champion
Melta Gun
Melta Gun
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
310

Plague Marines (10 man)
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
310

HEAVY SUPPORT

Obliterator Cult
75

Obliterator Cult
75


You have your Nurgle theme throughout (VERY FLUFFY). tough terminators with T5. Dedictated melta squad and anti infantry squad. and ace in the hole you can call on a greater daemon if needed.

plus 2 oblits to give you anti-tank firepower when and if needed

thank you corennus, but i am going to stick with the one i last posted.. i'll try it out for a couple of games and if it sucks total ass i will take your proposition in consideration. this is not to be seen as an insult, and i thank you for your time.

Thanks to everyone else too!