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Page 143 says VPs are awarded for destroyed units and units that "have fled the table".

Unless I'm crazy, that means fleeing units still ON the table are worth no VPs in this new edition, yes?

Seems clear as can be, given GW's apparent refusal to hire technical writers.

Reason I'm asking is my LGS owner/league organizer insists that the text of the rules as clear as can be that fleeing units DO give VPs. He tells me he's even called GW and they've confirmed that, and that they "all play that way" there at GW.

So, am I taking crazy pills or what?

We have read it the same way that a fleeing unit doesn't yield VP unless they make it off the table. It seems counter intuitive, but since they made it so that all fleeing units can rally on , maybe it isn't.

Until GW would FAQ it, I can't see how you can read it any other way.

Yup, if you are on the table you are worth full points, and yield none, regardless of wounds, fleeing, etc.

It seems to be an effort to make gun lines slightly less effective, as they very rarely entirely destroy units before they panic, meaning they risk the unit rallying and not giving up any points.

Simply put the guy is wrong, wrong and wrong again.

At my GW the staff has said that fleeing units yield VP's. However, we don't have anything more than a "local" blackshirt, and the staff has been wrong before (thinking everyone had a rampager banner for a short while). I'd say they yield VP's, but ask your staff beforehand as they might go by "Rulebook doesn't have it no VP's given".

Have you fled off the table? No? Are you destroyed? No? Then you dont give up any VPS.

It is very, very clear....

Minsc wrote:At my GW the staff has said that fleeing units yield VP's. However, we don't have anything more than a "local" blackshirt, and the staff has been wrong before (thinking everyone had a rampager banner for a short while). I'd say they yield VP's, but ask your staff beforehand as they might go by "Rulebook doesn't have it no VP's given".

Considering we have, many times had GW employees (including blackshirts) blatantly contradict GW FAQs at separate stores (3 in the local area), I would not use them as a rules source, as sad as it is to say.

They do not yield VP. They are still on the table.