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2010/08/12 16:05:07
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Phanobi
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What codex to use Space Marines or the DA one for my Pre heresy DA's?
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We refuse to take sides in this anymore. And we refuse to let you turn us against one another. We know who we are now, we can find our own way between order and chaos...
It's over because we've decided it's over. Now get the hell out of our galaxy! Both of you.
"Whoever takes purple sash is purple, and follows purple leader." I follow purple tau. Theophony
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2010/08/12 16:09:48
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'd say the Space Marine Codex as it has the better and more flexible rules and IIRC the Deathwing and Ravenwing were created post heresy to hunt the fallen...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/12 16:15:25
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Phanobi
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Cool and thanks for the fast response.
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463976.page (Space Sharks and Tau)
DJ @ http://www.rockindocradio.net
Mon, Thursday+Fri 06am - 09am EST
We refuse to take sides in this anymore. And we refuse to let you turn us against one another. We know who we are now, we can find our own way between order and chaos...
It's over because we've decided it's over. Now get the hell out of our galaxy! Both of you.
"Whoever takes purple sash is purple, and follows purple leader." I follow purple tau. Theophony
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2010/08/12 16:46:10
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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It's quite all right, I hope it helps! 
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/12 16:50:54
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Just make sure you don't use the Land Raider VARIANTS (Original is kosher) or the Thunderfire cannon, and I think the Vindicator.
Those are all post-heresy I believe.
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Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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2010/08/12 16:51:49
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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Vindicator is pre-heresy.
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2010/08/12 16:54:15
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Samus_aran115 wrote:Vindicator is pre-heresy.
Oh well, I must be mixing it up with something else.
Are there any Rhino variants that are post-heresy?
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N' Yeah, even though I walks froo' da Shader of da Valley of Death
I ain't fraid a' no umies': Cuz youze is wif me;
Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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2010/08/12 17:18:19
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Phanobi
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No, just the Rhino.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
and a Baneblade
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463976.page (Space Sharks and Tau)
DJ @ http://www.rockindocradio.net
Mon, Thursday+Fri 06am - 09am EST
We refuse to take sides in this anymore. And we refuse to let you turn us against one another. We know who we are now, we can find our own way between order and chaos...
It's over because we've decided it's over. Now get the hell out of our galaxy! Both of you.
"Whoever takes purple sash is purple, and follows purple leader." I follow purple tau. Theophony
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2010/08/12 17:23:07
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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The vindicator was made during the heresy. IIRC.
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2010/08/12 18:05:28
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Woulden't most of the vehicles that are used today have been used during the Heresy and Great Crusade period (besides the variants that were created later)? That time period was when mankind was at it's greates technology wise and it was only after that period that the technology was lost untill things like the Land Raider and Land Speeder where found in STC form. I think you can use anything from the codex except for variants and still be fluffy (though a Land Speeder would be less likely to be used over a Jet Bike).
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2010/08/12 18:13:55
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Samus_aran115 wrote:Vindicator is pre-heresy.
Wrong. During the Heresy.
To quote the Vindicator entry in the codex:
"The notion of fitting a high-calibre cannon into the hull of a Rhino first evolved during the very early years of the Horus Heresy, during the fierce inner-city battles on Rothern I."
Basically they took a large-bore Thunderer cannon and mounted it on a Rhino. The Vindicator is one of the few Imperial tanks to be made without an STC.
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2010/08/12 18:46:48
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Phanobi
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I think its in the fulgrim book (Land Speeder)
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463976.page (Space Sharks and Tau)
DJ @ http://www.rockindocradio.net
Mon, Thursday+Fri 06am - 09am EST
We refuse to take sides in this anymore. And we refuse to let you turn us against one another. We know who we are now, we can find our own way between order and chaos...
It's over because we've decided it's over. Now get the hell out of our galaxy! Both of you.
"Whoever takes purple sash is purple, and follows purple leader." I follow purple tau. Theophony
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2010/08/12 19:01:19
Subject: Pre heresy question
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The Space Marine Codex offers more 'counts as' opportunities to help better represent Pre-Heresy stuff.
It definitely is the way to go!
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2010/08/12 19:02:54
Subject: Re:Pre heresy question
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Razorback are post heresy.
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2010/08/12 21:12:52
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah, Land Speeders existed during the heresy, they're mentioned in several books including Fulgrim, A Thousand Sons and Tales of Heresy I think...
It's up to you whether you'll include Librarians (Nikaea), I guess.
Multi-melta's and Plasma Cannons were rarely used by infantry during the period also.
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 03:09:46
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Giggling Nurgling
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No Chaplains or,I believe, Legion of the Damned.
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2010/08/13 04:44:43
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
Louisville, KY
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are combi weapons in the SM codex?
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Hi there, I'm an  hole! =D
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Brass rains on the sidewalk--
The 'sixty rattles out its song.
A song I first heard years ago--
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Of Lieutenant Castle getting short and hating it, wanting 'Nam to last forever--
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Come to sing you to sleep."
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2010/08/13 05:52:15
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Combi weapons are in the Marine codex, and just about every other codex in the game.
Use the regular Marines codex, or use the Chaos Marines codex if you want to use non-Chaosy yet period-appropriate things like autocannons and such.
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2010/08/13 12:49:54
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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Actually, yeah I agree with SRM, the Chaos Codex could also work quite well. I guess you could simply use both depending on your mood.
Falling Airborne wrote:No Chaplains or,I believe, Legion of the Damned.
Chaplains were around at the time, most definitely. Erebus is one for a start.
But yeah, no Legion of the Damned (although I can't imagine you using them anyway!  ) as they're a 2nd founding.
However, there were a lot more chapter masters due to the size of the Legions...
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 13:37:54
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Oberleutnant
Germany
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The annihaltor variant of the Predator is post heresy.
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2010/08/13 19:13:39
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Just Dave wrote:Chaplains were around at the time, most definitely. Erebus is one for a start.
It depends: Chaplains were brought around after Nikea to keep the Legion's faith, for all the fat lot of good it did for half of them. Erebus and the Word Bearers were special, since at that time they wuvved the Empwah so vewy much. (  ) Basically, if you include Librarians then fluffwise you cannot have Chaplains unless you play Word Bearers, and vice versa.
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2010/08/13 19:18:21
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Just Dave wrote:Chaplains were around at the time, most definitely. Erebus is one for a start.
It depends: Chaplains were brought around after Nikea to keep the Legion's faith, for all the fat lot of good it did for half of them. Erebus and the Word Bearers were special, since at that time they wuvved the Empwah so vewy much. ( ) Basically, if you include Librarians then fluffwise you cannot have Chaplains unless you play Word Bearers, and vice versa.
May I enquire as to how there are both Chaplain's and Librarians in the Dark Angels books (particularly the 2nd)?
I don't doubt your knowledge, just wondering what the 'sitch' is...
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 19:20:55
Subject: Re:Pre heresy question
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Really? Thats odd...were the Librarians using their powers?
How strange. 
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2010/08/13 19:47:37
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah! I know!
I admit, the Dark Angels books were/are a bit s**t but still...
In the 2nd book particularly, one brother was a Librarian (using powers an' all!) whilst the other was a Chaplain. Zahariel and Nemiel respectively IIRC...
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 19:58:30
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Then Zahariel was quite blatantly a dirty, mean heretic with no respect for the Emprah who must be destroyed, or stuck in a room listening to one of Kelbor-Hals monlogues for a day-whichever's worse.
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2010/08/13 21:07:45
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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You think that's bad, Zahariel wasn't the only librarian, he was taught!!
Even so, forcing him to read Battle For The Abyss would be a worse punishment...
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 21:18:52
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Just Dave wrote:Chaplains were around at the time, most definitely. Erebus is one for a start.
It depends: Chaplains were brought around after Nikea to keep the Legion's faith, for all the fat lot of good it did for half of them. Erebus and the Word Bearers were special, since at that time they wuvved the Empwah so vewy much. ( ) Basically, if you include Librarians then fluffwise you cannot have Chaplains unless you play Word Bearers, and vice versa.
Argh... major pet peeve of mine...
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Really? Thats odd...were the Librarians using their powers?
How strange.
Argh!
OK, it USED to make sense, BEFORE they screwed up the whole Council of Nikea and Psyker vs. Sorcerer Background.
Now it is a bit of a mess that doesn't make much sense...
Anyway, here are some good links for what is and is not Pre-Heresy:
Weapons:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=2447
Vehicles:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=883
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2010/08/13 21:23:11
Subject: Pre heresy question
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Fixture of Dakka
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Alpharius wrote:Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Just Dave wrote:Chaplains were around at the time, most definitely. Erebus is one for a start.
It depends: Chaplains were brought around after Nikea to keep the Legion's faith, for all the fat lot of good it did for half of them. Erebus and the Word Bearers were special, since at that time they wuvved the Empwah so vewy much. ( ) Basically, if you include Librarians then fluffwise you cannot have Chaplains unless you play Word Bearers, and vice versa.
Argh... major pet peeve of mine...
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Really? Thats odd...were the Librarians using their powers?
How strange.
Argh!
OK, it USED to make sense, BEFORE they screwed up the whole Council of Nikea and Psyker vs. Sorcerer Background.
Now it is a bit of a mess that doesn't make much sense...
Care to explain Alpharius?
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2010/08/13 21:38:16
Subject: Re:Pre heresy question
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You would use the current DA codex. But their armor would be black if I'm not mistaken. And as far as other marines just use your current codex. The paint scheme may not be the same. I little buddy of mine just started the 40K thing. He wanted to go with a purple black gold thing. So he and I started painting them as Pre-Heresy Emperors Children. So now he can do Chaos and SM's.
You could also use some war gear from the Chaos Marine codex as far as friendly games goes. If I'm not wrong the reason Chaos can't have storm bolters and the like is that stuff wasn't made until after the Heresy. But I've never understood why they can't get them now. I'm sure some marines have joined Chaos since then, and brought their gear with them. Unless they turned it in first...yeah right.
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2010/08/13 21:54:32
Subject: Re:Pre heresy question
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^ Actually that brings up an interesting question. If CSM can have Vindicators (which were developed during the Heresy by loyalist forces) why can't they have Storm Bolters? I have to assume the Vindicators used by CSM are looted, why can't they pick up a Storm Bolter as well?
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