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I'm building... an army.... of shredders!
So yeh I bought the legion warpack, loving the little beggars. Ima get some moulding putty and casting resin and dupe as many as I can, then I'm sorted, Ima pretty new player and most of the people at my FLGS like to play 35 point games so I'm going to order a new pack of shredders and a spawning vessel pack, find some moulding shiz and make some. If it turns out good I'll soon have a 35 point list ready to go, if it goes well then I may dupe some of the vessel stuff aswell, and make a massively big 100 point list! Oh jeez, in 100 points I could fit, three 6 grunt spawning vessels, lylith, the carnivean and here it comes.... 43 shredders!! I could basically just make a ring of shredders around the vessels, with the carnivean and lylith in the middle, and every time a shredder died, he'd give a corpse token to atleast 2 of the vessels, I'd just wait for the opponent to get near me and unleash the hell of 43 shredders on them. I'm far too excited, taking a breather, whooo that's better. So, any opinions?

I saw a list consisting of eThagrosh and 14 shredders being played at Gen Con's PP tournament. The guy playing it was having almost no fun. I can't say I blame him.

Yes but I could use it against my friends warpwolf list, that would be a good match! Seen as thought that list is completely rock hard to deal with. It'd be a hilarious match!

Hilarious for who? I'm bias though...I hate shredders, one of them ate one of my better friends - Yuri the Axe!

:-(

Okay if your a horde hater (as in hordes of small annoying things) and hilarious for both of us, have you ever played against a single warpwolf? There like the best range of models in the game! Practically unstoppable.

From what I understand, it's a sort of common list. But easily countered. The army will work against your friend once.

After that, he should be able to destroy it really really easily.

Read more about it on privateer's fourm:
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?14933-Pimp-my-list-Shredder-Spam

Doesn't really work. Shredders aren't much harder to kill than infantry, and don't really hit much harder either. And since you'll be fielding less of them than your opponent has models, it's not particularly hard to thin them out quickly.

Used to be more popular back when the relative cost of Shredders was lower. Didn't work back then either: Ran into one in a tournament with my Haley gunline. I killed all but two shredders and Thagrosh, the other guy killed a single Stormblade.

I'm sorry but does a ringed wall of shredders around my caster and the ability to spawn 3 every time 3 die meen nothing to you? You guys can put down the idea all yiu like, it wouldn't go that far anyways.

Crunching the numbers real quick, a Shredder has ARM 12 and 13 damage boxes. Let's say a unit of Immortals gets the charge off on the swarm. At POW 13 and 3 dice, they'll only need slightly above average rolls to one-shot the things, and those that they don't kill will be mostly harmless with two missing Aspects. If six of the Immortals hit, that's 12 points of Shredders down the drain from 8 points of rocks.

Likewise, CRA units like Long Gunners will put the hurt on the horde very quickly. Standing still and doing 2 man CRAs, a full unit will kill 6 a turn on average dice.

And that's not even getting into worst case territory. Things like Nihilators, Doom Reavers, Tharn, and Storm Guard will rip through shredders like a hot knife through butter.

So yeah, it's great and all that you can pop out a new one for every 3 that die, but you're getting one per turn, and any deaths past the 3rd every turn are wasted. With a single unit easily capable of killing off five or six a turn when you're packing them as tight as you'll have to, you'll be losing the attrition game rather quickly.

3 Spawning pits.... 3 a turn.... hence replenishing all that die....

scarskull5 wrote:3 Spawning pits.... 3 a turn.... hence replenishing all that die....

That only works if they kill exactly 3 a turn. One turn they could kill 2, giving you 2 tokens on each, then the next turn kill 4 (just an example). At that point you will have lost 6 and make 3 on the following turn. Things don't always go according to plan.

scarskull5 wrote:I'm sorry but does a ringed wall of shredders around my caster and the ability to spawn 3 every time 3 die meen nothing to you? Y

Not really...

Like several people have pointed out, it's easy to kill a shredder, and there are ways to counter.

It's a decent list, with a nice twist, but not an automatic game winner. I don't think you are taking into account your opponents actions. If he knows he's fighting this army, then he can come up with a solution to take it down. It'll work once against a friend, and is a great suprise list at tournies, but not invincible.

StormHalo wrote:I saw a list consisting of eThagrosh and 14 shredders being played at Gen Con's PP tournament. The guy playing it was having almost no fun. I can't say I blame him.

Hehehe, it was midnight madness. At 3AM who cares at that point.

(I was sitting next to him)

scarskull5 wrote:3 Spawning pits.... 3 a turn.... hence replenishing all that die....

Doesn't work. A model may only give out one corpse token when it dies, similar to souls.

Also, it's ignoring base sizes and ranges on the shark pots. Since the pot itself is on a medium base, it's rather easy to just put a CRA or an arced spell into it. Furthermore, the pots can only collect tokens in a small bubble around themselves, forcing you to cluster them up even if it did work. You'd have to cluster the Shredders as well, and given their poor armor they actually die rather easily to blast damage. Finally, Shredders are really freaking slow. Sure, you can force them for Rabid and to run, but then you're putting 2 fury on the table for each Shredder. Even using Vayl, you've got a max of 4 Shredders going anywhere before you have to start making threshold checks (and at Threshold 7 the little bastards WILL eat each other) while the rest of the herd is forced to move at a piddling 6 inches a round.

Really, just spam swordsmen. Higher MAT, much faster, and they hit a heck of a lot harder. Cheaper per model, and they won't eat each other. Even better, they're all potential Incubi.

I was actually thinking about a gatorman posse? Y'know buy one and dupe 2 squads and then I'm sorted, I'll still keep shredders as a small mold though in the likely case that I mix too much resin, I've been looking over the posse card and it looks pretty solid to me actually, so does Gudrun the warrior, thinking about getting him too.

I think you'd be a lot more interested in the Hellion and massed Swordsmen. They can kill off everything that that Shredders can just by virtue of P&S and decent stats, but are also effective against heavies due to autoplinking for 1 damage on every attack that hits.

With Legion, you're going to want to explore your synergies more. I get the feeling that you're taking units based on their own merits without any regard for the overall structure of your list. That sort of thinking will keep you from sucking, but you won't be great either.

sourclams wrote:I think you'd be a lot more interested in the Hellion and massed Swordsmen. They can kill off everything that that Shredders can just by virtue of P&S and decent stats, but are also effective against heavies due to autoplinking for 1 damage on every attack that hits.

With Legion, you're going to want to explore your synergies more. I get the feeling that you're taking units based on their own merits without any regard for the overall structure of your list. That sort of thinking will keep you from sucking, but you won't be great either.

I would imagine that the shredder swarm idea is mostly based upon how cool it would look. massed swordsman isn't really exciting in the same way that a swarm of Tyrani...uhh, I mean shredders is...

Of course playing models based upon looks is suicide in WM, but still...

I appreciate all the help but it is OT, the subject of this was because of how cool it would look as CT GAMER said, I don't play tournies, only friendly games. I didn't actually ask for help with my legion... I can figure out my own list thank you. Then again you are just trying to be friendly.

If you don't want commentary on your list (especially a list which relies on a mistaken interpretation of the rules), why are you posting it on a forum? We can't stop here. This is the internet, after all.