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The topic title says it all really. The biggest source of confusion for me is that on his unit info (pg. 70) he's listed as having a servo arm and harness, but on the army list entry it only says servo harness. Also is a servo harness a replacement of a servo arm or an addition to it? Thanks for any help.

he never had one.

anyway. it says he looses his servo harness.

that is both of his servo arms.

put him on a bike; he becomes relentless.

now:

a servo harness has two servo arms on it.
he looses his boltgun and servo harness.

he doesn't have a servo arm on it's own.

If your giving him a con. beamer, he doesn't need a harness. [you won't be able to shoot.]

Always read the options section. thats correct, the unit page doesn't give you it's actual wargear, or boltgun would be written on the tactical marine page.

Ok, thanks for the info. BTW your telegraphic sentences remind me of Rorschach from "Watchmen" lolz

All of that info is incorrect.

The Master of the Forge Does have a Servo Arm, The Servo Harness adds a second Arm(and the 2 ranged weapons).

The Unit Description on Page 70 Shows the MotF has a Sevro Arm and a Servo Harness; This has not been errata'd to show which is correct but the servo harness is only 1 extra arm and the 2 ranged weapons so in order to follow the Harness's rules you need to apply the first Arm as listed as wargear in the master's description.

Kommissar Kel wrote:The Unit Description on Page 70 Shows the MotF has a Sevro Arm and a Servo Harness;

His actual army list entry, however, does not.

He doesn't have a Servo Arm. Just the harness. And you replace the harness with the conversion beamer.

Where exactly is the errata that says the Army list entry is correct and the Detailed rules in the description page is wrong?

Besides which if all masters of the Forge only have the servo harness then they all only have 1 Servo Arm(the one attached to the Harness). Nothing in the Servo Harness rules states that it itself incorporates 2 Servo Arms, quite to the contrary it states that it includes 1 extra Servo Arm

Kommissar Kel wrote:Where exactly is the errata that says the Army list entry is correct and the Detailed rules in the description page is wrong?

You don't need one. The army list entry is where you actually select the unit from, so if it differs from the descriptive section, it is going to take precedence.


However...

Besides which if all masters of the Forge only have the servo harness then they all only have 1 Servo Arm(the one attached to the Harness). Nothing in the Servo Harness rules states that it itself incorporates 2 Servo Arms, quite to the contrary it states that it includes 1 extra Servo Arm

The regular techmarine starts with a servo-arm and it says "upgrade servo-arm to servo harness". Would "upgrade" mean add to, as in one more arm and guns; or does it mean replace the servo-arm with a 2 armed contraption known as a servo-harness. The fact that the techmarine gunner is listed with only a harness leads me to believe that it actually replaces the arm. But then again anytime a piece of wargear is replaced with another piece of gear it specifically uses the word "replace".

Just to be sure the gunner has 2 servo arm attacks and the extra guns too from the harness right?


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Actually after looking over the codex I think it goes something like this:

Servo-arm-includes ono servo-arm

Servo-harness-includes one servo-arm and the 2 guns

the vanilla techie is the only guy who can get 2 servo arms since he starts with one, but the MotF and the gunner start with the harness, which is to say they start with one arm and the 2 guns.

asimo77 wrote:The regular techmarine starts with a servo-arm and it says "upgrade servo-arm to servo harness". Would "upgrade" mean add to, as in one more arm and guns; or does it mean replace the servo-arm with a 2 armed contraption known as a servo-harness.

It adds the extra arm and guns.

The fact that the techmarine gunner is listed with only a harness leads me to believe that it actually replaces the arm. But then again anytime a piece of wargear is replaced with another piece of gear it specifically uses the word "replace".

Just to be sure the gunner has 2 servo arm attacks and the extra guns too from the harness right?

The Techmarine Gunner is only listed as having the harness, but has two servo arms.

So yeah, while taking the model as a sign of how the rules should be can be a dangerous slope, I think in this particular case it's a fair indication of which way this rule is supposed to go.

Actually after looking over the codex I think it goes something like this:

Servo-arm-includes ono servo-arm

Servo-harness-includes one servo-arm and the 2 guns

the vanilla techie is the only guy who can get 2 servo arms since he starts with one, but the MotF and the gunner start with the harness, which is to say they start with one arm and the 2 guns.

I think there's a certain RAW argument in that direction, but I don't think it's the correct way to play it. I'm fairly confident at this point that the intention was for all three to have two servo arms.

I'm definitely more of a RAI guy, but I guess I was playing devil's advocate (with myself?). I'm bound to run into some RAW dudes at some point so it's good to know what arguement to expect.

I'll personally play with 2 arms but check with my opponent if it's cool before-hand. If not then that extra arm is only for decoration, that's it and that's all

the servo-arm goes WOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

If you look at the both entries for the MoF it states that he gets:
1) Servo-Arm, Servo-Harness as his wargear. and lists the C-beamer as well. (P.70 C:SM) and
2) Servo-harness, Artificer Armor, Boltgunorbolt pistol, grenades under wargear (P.133 C:SM)
Since under the description of the Techmarine it lists the Harness as an upgrade to the arm, the MoF would get both the arm AND the harness.
In the Army list section on P.133 it also states:
Replace servo-harness and Boltgun with C-Beamer.

Of course, it is not clear if he loses the initial servo-arm..... but since the harness is listed as an upgrade to the arm, I would say that he retains the arm.