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I dont see anywhere where it prevents me from gaining back wounds, maybe I just missed something.

I'm talking about the 5th spell and the Lore Attribute for Life

Thats because you won't find anything preventing you. You can gain back wounds with the lore of life attribute. The tradeoff of course is that now many spells can affect the STank, and in some cases, instakill it.

zeekill wrote:I dont see anywhere where it prevents me from gaining back wounds, maybe I just missed something.

I'm talking about the 5th spell and the Lore Attribute for Life

the 5th spell can't restore wounds since theres no dead models to revive but the atribute still works

The 5th spell also heals wounds to Multi-Wound models in addition to reviving dead models. If the Steam Tank is classified as a Unit, even a Unit of 1, you can use the 5th spell on it.

Everything is a unit....so yes, you can heal the stank as it is a multiwound model.

Good luck coming up against the metal lore though, even the basic spell stops stanks dead...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Good luck coming up against the metal lore though, even the basic spell stops stanks dead...

Yea I know, but still its a 300 point model that can eat my opponent's magic phase, eat their shooting phase, or eat one of their units alive.

I say its worth it just for the posibility that my opponent won't be prepared for a T10 W10 unbreakable chariot that causes (4-5)D3 Impact Hits at S6 every turn

zeekill wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Good luck coming up against the metal lore though, even the basic spell stops stanks dead...

Yea I know, but still its a 300 point model that can eat my opponent's magic phase, eat their shooting phase, or eat one of their units alive.

I say its worth it just for the posibility that my opponent won't be prepared for a T10 W10 unbreakable chariot that causes (4-5)D3 Impact Hits at S6 every turn

Until they put 2-3 wounds on it, and it becomes a 300 points paperweight.

Fixed it for you....

Also someone mentioned above you can gain wounds back with the lore of life attribute... That is false, that affects characters only.

I agree with Shivan.

If a caster with the Lore of Metal gets even one casting of the signature spell off on the S'Tank, it'll be pretty much worthless as anything other than VP denial for the rest of the game. 2-3 castings should kill it.

zeekil - it hardly "eats" my magic phase if i have lore of metal. All it takes is one casting of the basic spell and an average of 3 wounds (D6 hits, wounds on 2+, no armour save) will have been caused. Or the high level amber spear - sure, takes a 4+ to wound but it then causes D6 wounds. Or 2 cannons (everyone has a couple now, right??) will on average cause it 3 - 4 wounds in one turn. At which point it isnt moving without probably causing damage to itself. And in order to keep healing it you are using a whole lot of your magic phase, and i bet i can kill it quicker than you can heal....

Additionally you only cause grind hits every owning player turn, not every player turn as you incorrectly stated.

The stank is now MASSIVELY more vulnerable than it ever has been.

The lore of life attribute CAN heal the Stank...

As per BRB - When a spell from the lore of life is successfully cast, the wizard (or another friendly model within 12") instantly recovers a single wound lost earlier in the battle.

Its not just characters.

Both spells can heal the Stank, and yes, lore of metal RUINS it in 1 magic phase. Stanks were far more appealing in 7th than they are now in 8th.

Yeah didnt have the brb in front of me at first, it is model.. Thought it was character...

So yeah the attribute can, assuming its within 12" of the wizard.

zeekill wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Good luck coming up against the metal lore though, even the basic spell stops stanks dead...

Yea I know, but still its a 300 point model that can eat my opponent's magic phase, eat their shooting phase, or eat one of their units alive.

I say its worth it just for the posibility that my opponent won't be prepared for a T10 W10 unbreakable chariot that causes (4-5)D3 Impact Hits at S6 every turn

Every opponent who player GT/Tournment level comes equipped with a way to deal with or minimize the effect of a steam tank/ T10 model. The steam tank is tough, but there are lots of ways to deal with it. Also as above, feel free to heal it, its hysterical and silly, but it works.

Commons ways to deal with Steam Tank
-cannons of any kind, stone throwers of any kinda
-anything that can d6 multi wound it
-lore of metal
-tarpit IE large unbreakable, or multi rank unit that will continue to be steadfast
-dwarf slayers tear it to pieces

njpc wrote:

zeekill wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Good luck coming up against the metal lore though, even the basic spell stops stanks dead...

Yea I know, but still its a 300 point model that can eat my opponent's magic phase, eat their shooting phase, or eat one of their units alive.

I say its worth it just for the posibility that my opponent won't be prepared for a T10 W10 unbreakable chariot that causes (4-5)D3 Impact Hits at S6 every turn

Every opponent who player GT/Tournment level comes equipped with a way to deal with or minimize the effect of a steam tank/ T10 model. The steam tank is tough, but there are lots of ways to deal with it. Also as above, feel free to heal it, its hysterical and silly, but it works.

Commons ways to deal with Steam Tank
-cannons of any kind, stone throwers of any kinda
-anything that can d6 multi wound it
-lore of metal
-tarpit IE large unbreakable, or multi rank unit that will continue to be steadfast
-dwarf slayers tear it to pieces

Poisoned shots are amazing too, my skink skirmishers play dance with the steam tank while going plink plink plink

Ah Shivan, forget you're a fellow skink lover

Yep, I've plinked a steam tank to death loads before now, before throwing 3 krox in to take the last 3 wounds to get the VPs. THats what I love about stank heavy empire - not enough other stuff about if they go stank heavy, so i can really rip the army apart piece by piece.

I always love it when GW nerfs a $60 model before I buy it. Easy on the wallet.

How many people are taking Lore of Metal standard (during list construction), or is this tales-of-tailoring?

I've been to 2 tournaments so far in 8th~ 1 local, 1 GT. Both were ripe with armies with at least 1 Lore of Metal Mage, the other was a mixture with a decent amout of lore of Death as people love their purple sun.

I think all the lore's are very effective. Fire still seems a nice go if your just looking to do pure damage. Bonuses to casting always help when you stacking on a level 4 casting it.

I primarily play skaven and I run into a lot of the following:
~you took metal? yea I do not have armor saves anyway
~your 2nd mage is taking purple sun? go ahead i'm mostly I4 anyway, and my units are 35 strong
~sigh, no you cannot change to fire, you have metal on your list... just target the doom wheel, you'll work it out.

I watched my friends witch elf army get whooped turn 1 to a skink army, and ransack an empire player who took metal on 2 mages. The matchup's really are different now!

Yes, No ,Maybe.

The Life attribute should be able to heal the Stank of one wound.

Regrowth however is a bit trickier.

It says it heals rank and file models but is the Stank a rank and file model. If yes then it should work but if no then it would not work.

So is the Stank rank and file? We need that answer first.

Duke, if the steam tank is neither a unit champion, nor a standard bearer, nor a musician, nor a character, then it's rank and file by default innit?

Doesn't it count as a chariot? And chariots are different then RnF, right?

Its a unit, that isn't a character or his mount, so it can heal.
Those are the only exceptions give nin the spell.

The spell specifically says you can bring back rank and file, it then says if you have multi wound rank and file models to bring back that you can not bring back a second one until the first multi wound guy is full health. I don't think a stank can be healed with it, and I don't think it will be a huge issue. A smart player is going to use the priest spell that heals it to full or be to pressed to waste casting spells on it every turn since they know the other wizard is either going to force you to waste dispel dice on stopping the cheap spell that rapes it. Anyways there are better ways to heal your stank if you feel it is needed.

Malleus wrote:Duke, if the steam tank is neither a unit champion, nor a standard bearer, nor a musician, nor a character, then it's rank and file by default innit?

I don't know. That's why I asked. It is classed as a chariot. Can a chariot that is not ranked up with other chariots be considered a rank and file?

This is where we need a ruling from GW as to what is and isn't rank and file. Once we know that we know what can be regrown.

To be honest I am not sure how life magic would heal a steel tank but that is neither here nor there. If GW says it can then it can.

Yes it can it has one rank and one file.

Does a single, un upgraded member of a unit (the rest got shot, for example) stop being "rank and file"?

No. Neither is the stank.

Priest spell can't heal the stank, since it must target a friendly character or unit champion, which the stank is not.

What is the "Priest spell" you are referring to?

Lore of Life attribute and Regrowth do not have to be targetted at characters or unit champions.

Its a special empire magic thing.

Thinking of Prayers of Sigmar, one of which can help heal characters.

Ah. Yep that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification