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So.. Blast an AoE Attacks only do full strength to the model that is under center...

then anything else under template only takes half strength hits.



Now, what about Units like the Black 13th.

One can shoot twice and use 2 AoE's ?

Then its a stay in play aoe.. and states if a model enters it it takes a pow hit.

This is a full strength hit ? Or would be be half for not being a direct on a model.


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Adding another..

If i have a Warcaster with RoF 1 weapon, can he use Focus to gain more ranged attacks ? or is he stil capped at 1 shot.

So.. Blast an AoE Attacks only do full strength to the model that is under center...

Incorrect. AoE attacks only do full strength to models directly hit. If the attack misses and drifts directly over another model, it still only does half damage.

If a model has special rules that override this, like Karchev's Eruption, Covering Fire, and the B13th, ignore the half damage rule.


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If i have a Warcaster with RoF 1 weapon, can he use Focus to gain more ranged attacks ? or is he stil capped at 1 shot.

You're limited to a single shot. If you have a RoF of higher than one, you may spend focus to gain additional attacks up to your RoF.

It really depends on the attack. I believe if you have an attack like a winterguard mortar team, you have to hit with the initial atk roll to deal full str to the primary target. You would then roll for each other model under the template but I thought it deals full to all of them so long as you get the initial hit. Not really sure, since winterguard mortar crews never hit anyways.

The gun Mage's AOE would deal full strength to anything that passes through the template. The key is how the attack is worded. If it says that all models under the template take a pwr 14 hit, then they all take a pwr 14 hit.

For your second question, If a ranged weapon has RoF 1, it can only be fired once per activation, unless an ability specifically says that it ignores the RoF on the weapon, such as a longgunner's dual shot, or Haley's feat. There are very few effects that do this however. Now say a warcaster/warjack has RoF 2. It can still only be fired once, BUT, you can spend focus to fire it twice.

Back to the AoE..

lets say i have a aoe 5 .

I shoot and hit my target so it doesnt move.

I haft to roll to hit the others that were partially hit also ?



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Also im not seeming to find doubles - Critical hit in rulebook on what that does.

You don't roll to hit on others, as the AOE damage kicks in and they are all hit and suffer half damage.

It's only on things like B13 or Breath of Corruption and the like that says everything takes a certain damage roll when hit.

As for crits, I don't know where it is, but it does not have any effect unless a model has a rule that requires a crit to occur to use that rule.

PP is very literal/b&w with it's wording:

If an ability says "any modeling entering this aoe take pow12" then that is exactly what they mean.

If something causes "blast damage" it will say so, if it doesnt say so it isnt, etc. Don't assume that two similar effects/spells work the same way unless their rules text says they do.

Sometimes just a subtle change in wording dictates how an ability works or when it activates, and this is very much intentional.

Read WM rules very carefully and apply what is said literally.

Im used to GW rules that half the time dont say what they mean :p

KingKodo wrote:It really depends on the attack. I believe if you have an attack like a winterguard mortar team, you have to hit with the initial atk roll to deal full str to the primary target. You would then roll for each other model under the template but I thought it deals full to all of them so long as you get the initial hit. Not really sure, since winterguard mortar crews never hit anyways.

This is wrong. If you hit with your attack roll then the primary target gets full damage, all the other models under the template automatically get hit for half damage. Even if you miss and the template deviates so that another model is fully under the center of the template, that model only gets half damage (automatically, you don't have to roll to hit again).

For your second question, If a ranged weapon has RoF 1, it can only be fired once per activation, unless an ability specifically says that it ignores the RoF on the weapon, such as a longgunner's dual shot, or Haley's feat. There are very few effects that do this however.

Long gunner's special hability does NOT ignore ROF, the weapon already has ROF 2.

The example would be the Cyclone Miniguns IIRC.

Spyder68 wrote:Im used to GW rules that half the time dont say what they mean :p

Yeah, coming from GW games and the amount of "gray area" that sometimes exists in rules text it is understandable.

I have played people coming from a GW background that assume you can't target your own models or that an ability/spell/effect will effect all models, etc.

I usually will show them some specific text examples from abilities/spells to show the difference:

"Target model..."

"Target enemy model..."

"target friendly model..."

"Any model entering the aoe..."

etc.

Subtle but very distinct.

This very intentionally specific wording of rules is one of the main strengths of the WM/Hordes games, as PP really makes a dedicated effort to eliminate any room for argument between players about such things.

Then you have a third scenario like Siege who rolls to hit everyone under the ground pounder template.