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Hi,
on 21st August Maelstrom will release some miniatures usable for Beastmen:

A Jabberwock (£70.00): http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=mae_mae_bnb_mon_001_000# :


Cyclops (£60.00) http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=mae_mae_bnb_mon_002_000 :


Oxgore (£70.00) http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=mae_mae_bnb_mon_003_000# :


and a BSB already sold on GenCon (£12.00) http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=mae_mae_xle_etc_001_000


Size:

(more pics and info here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4906301#post4906301 )

Maxmini has also released a Cyclops this week (25$) http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15&products_id=105 :


Just for completeness, Scibor released 3 Minotaurs not long ago:

Chieftain (30$) http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=898 :


Minotaur 1 (25$) http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=899 :


Minotaur 2 (25$) http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=900 :


There are of course a lot of non-GW Minotaurs out there (some found here http://www.ffstore.it/evil-dwarves-bigz-170/ ).

Hope that helps.

Erm.... are you sure those are the finished thing from Maelstrom?

Jabberwock looks particularly undetailed up close?

Yes, they seem to be less detailed than some other models. You decide how much bling and details you need.

Here two other pics from the Jabberwock:

It's mostly the Jabberwock I'm concerned about. A real lack of definition.

Meh, I shall continue with my conversion plans should I ever get round to doing Beasties.

Most of them look alright, apart from the "Oxgore", which isn't quite bad but is iffy IMHO. My biggest complaint is that they offer no sense of scale. For all I can tell the oxgore could be a normal minotaur with 4 arms, and the Maelstrom cyclopes could be a plaguebearer. I quite like the basis of the Jabberwock but it looks too dragony and not enough toady.

I think the maxmini cyclopes is much better. It has a good feeling of motion and believable anatomy. Looks like it belongs in one of those old claymation monster movies. The alternate heads are truly fantastic. Still though, I think I would like to try my hand at my own conversion. If I could buy those heads separately though...

The scibor minotaurs...not sure what to say. They are by far better than GW's mangled mess, that's for sure. The hammerer is on one of the best bases I've ever seen. They don't look quite like what I want though. They look too human. I think it's the mouthes and the eyes- they look like something that in a Jim Henson movie would start out as villains but help the hero after a change of heart. The cheiftan almost looks to me like he's debating inwardly if he really made the right choices in life- not exactly what minotaurs in a beastman army are supposed to be. They're great as a completely different vision of minotaurs, but they don't fit into a GW army IMHO. And I still want to know what the feth is going on with that axe. It looks like the chieftan welded scraps of copper to the sides of it for no reason at all. And put horns on it for some reason.

Mr Mystery wrote:Erm.... are you sure those are the finished thing from Maelstrom?

Jabberwock looks particularly undetailed up close?

Have to agree -- the Jabberwock just doesn't look finished. I've never called myself a sculptor, and I think I could make that. Seventy pounds is a lot of money for something like that. If they sell more than a couple of those, I shall take note. You should keep an eye out for my "Big Clay Dragon" on Ebay soon thereafter -- for the american equivalent of sixty-five pounds. I really hope the actual sculptor of that never reads this. I don't like to be negative. If that was a scratch build in the painting forum, I would be very complimentary, but a professional company asking for hard currency must be held to a higher standard. Especially for something that looks like a dragon -- there are probably dozens and dozens of commercially available large dragons.

Those Maelstrom things can't be finished, they look... urrgh

And £70 really?!? WTH?

LOOK at the maxmini fig in comparison, it's less than half the bloody price as well!!

JOHIRA wrote:They look too human. . . . The cheiftan almost looks to me like he's debating inwardly if he really made the right choices in life- not exactly what minotaurs in a beastman army are supposed to be.

You do realize that that is a massive compliment to the sculptor?

I think you don't like the choices made, but you aren't complaining about the quality of the model. The idea that a sculpture portrays an emotional inner turmoil is about as good as it gets.

I think the Mino's are markedly worse than the GW ones. Heads just seem far too big, and the lips are almost hippo like, rather than Bull.

Perhaps it's the paintjob, just like the GW ones (which look much better in the flesh with a more bestial paintjob).

Though to be fair, I've never found a Minotaur which looks quite right to me.

Sorry MrMystery old thing
You are welcome to your opinion which is as valid as anyone elses, but to base the argument on the size of the head seems rather nonsensical.

Minotaur. Human torso Bull's head.
A smaller head would be risible.


Scribor sculpts are excellent and their minotaur knocks the GW one into a blob of squidgy styrene imho

Serendipity. Was thinking of a cyclops (substitute giant) for an ally to my gobbos but they are not quite what I had in mind.

One thing though, have not considered cyclopses having cloven hooves. If anyone with a knowledge of classical mythology would care to eclucidate please, would be grateful.

Re poor old Jabberwocky. He hardly seems to snicker snack. My initial impression fwiw is also that it is WIP.

Each to their own. But as I said, am yet to find a truly excellent Mino model.

Anybody remember these cyclops? Man I watched this movie at least a dozen times when I was a kid, every time I went to the movie store I'd rent it. I'd so buy a cyclop miniature that looked like this.

Always was partial to this Jabber... from Blood Moon

SpacePanzee wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:They look too human. . . . The cheiftan almost looks to me like he's debating inwardly if he really made the right choices in life- not exactly what minotaurs in a beastman army are supposed to be.

You do realize that that is a massive compliment to the sculptor?

Of course. That was the point.

I think you don't like the choices made, but you aren't complaining about the quality of the model. The idea that a sculpture portrays an emotional inner turmoil is about as good as it gets.

I spent a good deal of my time in college criticizing art, and let me tell you that all good criticism boils down to criticizing choices the artist made. I even said that I thought they're great as completely different versions of minotaurs, so there's no need to jump to Scibor's defence. We're discussing these models in the context of the GW Beastman army though, and in a GW Beastman army I don't think there's any room for a minotaur experiencing emotional inner turmoil.

Why not?

It makes the Beastmen more complex and interesting

The minotaur 'inner turmoil' is due to the soft and warm skin colours and the eye and face paint job.

Paint in colder colours, paint the eye enraged and no bloody problem.

Lord-Ironfist UNA wrote:

Anybody remember these cyclops? Man I watched this movie at least a dozen times when I was a kid, every time I went to the movie store I'd rent it. I'd so buy a cyclop miniature that looked like this.

http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=bigguy_profile&id=BG_HCYC

TBH, i think mealstroms cyclops is completely blown out of the water my Maxmini's. It's not that im a die hard fan of maxmini. Its that it looks so much better. Saying that, the oxgore is fantastic. I love the bloodmoon jabber. Looks cooler

Really don't like that first Cyclopes. Merely looks like a far less detailed version of GW's Giant fig. The Jabberwok has some potential though.

I am surprised that no one has heaped praise on the Maxmini Cyclops yet. That thing is amazing, and the head choices are ace too. If I could see scale, I'd be sold.

Sigh. Gonna have to find out whether 8th broke Beastmen, which I haven't touched since 6th. Then I'm gonna have to buy a couple of those one-eyed-wonders.

JOHIRA wrote:

You do realize that that is a massive compliment to the sculptor?

Of course. That was the point.

I think you don't like the choices made, but you aren't complaining about the quality of the model. The idea that a sculpture portrays an emotional inner turmoil is about as good as it gets.

I spent a good deal of my time in college criticizing art, and let me tell you that all good criticism boils down to criticizing choices the artist made. I even said that I thought they're great as completely different versions of minotaurs, so there's no need to jump to Scibor's defence. We're discussing these models in the context of the GW Beastman army though, and in a GW Beastman army I don't think there's any room for a minotaur experiencing emotional inner turmoil.

I hope you don't think I was being adversarial to your comments. In reading my own comments, I'm thinking it doesn't come across as much as I would like that I was verifying your compliment -- not questioning that you were aware of having made one. You only wrote a couple of lines, but I think your criticism was well written and made good points. I wasn't really looking at the idea that you feel like they are out of character for the GW version of beastmen. In fact, your comments led me to appreciate Scribor's sculpts even more. I took a second look and definitely agree with your interpretation. There's almost a classical think going on. Not quite "Pugilist at Rest," but moving in that direction.