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HQ:
Warboss + power klaw 85 pts
Big Mek + Kustom Force Field 85 pts
Elites:
10x Lootas 150 pts
10x Lootas 150 pts
Troops:
30x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 215 pts
30x Shoota boys + nob with power klaw + 3 big shootas 230 pts
20x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw + 2 rokkitlaunchas 175 pts
4x nob bikers + 2x power klaw + painboy 260 pts (Troops due to Warboss’s Da Big Boss special rule)
Deff dred + 2x dreadnought close combat weapons 105 pts (Troop choice due to Big Mek’s Da Big Boss special rule.)
Heavy Support:
Battlewagon + ‘ard case + red paintjob + grot riggers + zzap gun + 2x big shootas 140 pts
3x Killa kans + 3x rokkitlaunchas 150 pts

the tourneys tommorow HELP

Well whats going on here? What is going into the battle wagon? Whats your plan? Personally I would drop the deff dread for another squad of kans (dreads will go down fast unless there is enough other big targets) I would rethink that small squad of nob bikers, perhaps taking them without bikes and sticking them in the wagon with the boss and let the boys walk with the kans. Also without the bikes you could pump that squad up with a few more basic nobs, although I would rethink the battle wagon altogether, but thats just me, it could be helpful to reach out and kill some stuff while the rest of your army slowly walks. (I don't have experience running only one wheeled vehicle, it's all or none for me)

One of the loota squads can be split in half as you have the elite slot for it, 10 lootas shooting at a rhino is a bit over kill you could have one squad of 10 hunting higher av targets while the 2 smaller squads can open low av transports. I would also deck out the boss a bit more, cybork body, attack squig, really I only take a boss if I want a cc beast on the board, or I NEED scoring nobs you have enough other troops to not need them to be scoring.

ok.....
your list is all over the place. lets get it sorted out a bit...
hope this helps!

HQ:
Warboss + power klaw 85 pts
needs eavy armor or cybork body and an attack squig

Big Mek + Kustom Force Field 85 pts
good.

Elites:
10x Lootas 150 pts
10x Lootas 150 pts
good.

Troops:
30x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 215 pts
i suppose these can't become shoota?

30x Shoota boys + nob with power klaw + 3 big shootas 230 pts
good

20x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw + 2 rokkitlaunchas 175 pts
going in wagon? good.

4x nob bikers + 2x power klaw + painboy 260 pts (Troops due to Warboss’s Da Big Boss special rule)
no place in army. fantastic unit, but no place in army. if for monetary reasons you run them anyway, sure, but if thats no issue grab a truck and a unit of about 6 or 7 normal nobz with a trukk.
give them 2 PK's, a WAAAAGH banna, and a painboy.

Deff dred + 2x dreadnought close combat weapons 105 pts (Troop choice due to Big Mek’s Da Big Boss special rule.)
hmmmm if you could lose it for some killa kans that would be good

Heavy Support:
Battlewagon + ‘ard case + red paintjob + grot riggers + zzap gun + 2x big shootas 140 pts
lose the riggers, zzap gun, and one big shoota-give it armour plates, and a deff rolla. if you need more points, lose the hard case too.

3x Killa kans + 3x rokkitlaunchas 150 pts
good, but you need another unit of this if possible.

hope this helped!

You have fast attack, a vehicle, walkers, and footslogging. What are you trying to work with??? You already are putting yourself in a big hole by splitting your army up like that. You need to be either all fast, all vehicles, all foot. Your stuff will be picked apart 1 at a time. First say bye to your bikes and wagon over the first 2 turns. Now say bye to your kans. Then by the time you hit your opponents line, you have a handful of boyz maybe. Not gonna work.

ummm Flyinmiata?
he wasn't looking for criticism without help. saying "your list sucks" doesnt help anybody. he wouldnt post, except he wanted help.... you should post suggestions and things.

I too would drop the dread. Mine has made it across the field maybe 3 times out of 10 battles. It's a great diversion in a bigger game, around 2000 points, but otherwise it's going to get blasted. If you could, definitely get another squad of killa kans with grotzookas.

Don't forget to put bosspoles on your nobz in each group of boyz. They come in handy more often than not.

drop ard case and zzap gun on BW. If the 20 sluggas are going in there then they are assaulting and would need the BW to be open top. Take a deffrolla or boarding plank instead so that the BW can fight armor.

I don't think you are going to be able to mod the list much more before tomorrow. Have the boyz walk behind the dread and kans with the big mek giving them KFF saves. drop a boy in the BW squad and have the warboss go with them. Have the BW and bikers hunt heavy armor and draw fire away from you kan wall and boyz. Have lootas fire at light armor (transports etc to allow the footsloggers to assault them later). Run the footsloggers when out of shoota range. Get a couple rounds of shooting with the shoota boyz and kans when in range. Waagh when you get in assault range with the boyz, and assault.

Hopefully you survived to assault because this is a sub-optimal kan wall. You really want 9 kans, and more boyz. I would have started with a core of 9 kans with rokkits and 3 squads of 29 shoota boyz with PK/BP nob and added toys on top of that. In the future IMO drop the BW, bring the third boyz squad up to 30 strong, drop the dread and get your self more kans.

I would say drop the deff dread for some killa kans drop the nob bikers and perhaps get some normal nobs or some more boyz and with I completely agree with the lootas but I would have 2 squads of 5 and 1 of ten or perhaps if you need points I would have 3 squads of 5 GL

Although Flyinmiata1 wasen't very helpful, i agree with him... First you should specialize in one aspect...

So here are the 2 mostly spread strategy:

1. Kanz wall

The idea here is to have 9 kanz, lots of boyz slowly advancing behind them (with 4+ cover), 1 or 2 big meks with kff to give 4+ cover to kanz and lootas to give fire support as your horde advances... It is nice and tried strategy and your opponent will have hard time stopping it...

2. Speed freak

Idea here is to mobilize your forces... Put everything in battlewagons and trukks to advance on your opponent on turn one... Some lootas to give fire support, burnas vs horde (in battlewagon) and koptas with buzzsaw to turboboost and engage vehicles in turn 1... Again great strategy...

In order to help you, you should specialize and choose your way... Otherwise, comments and suggestions will be mixed, depending on what do people think your style should be...

You see, orkz don't have luxury of hybrid-lists, because if they don't specialize, you won't be competitive... While SM can make a list that is adaptive to opponent, you will have to force your style on your opponent in order to win.. And that means that every ork unit has to be a threat to opponent in the same time... Otherwise, you'll get forces will get hammered in turns as they become liability to your opponent...

In your case, bikers and wagons will be first to be countered, and you allow your opponent to deal with just them, as your army is slowly advancing towards them.. And then he can deal with rest of your army...

So if you choose to go kanz, drop battlewagon and bikers and add 6 more kanz and KFF big mek... Then we'll give xou suggestions to rest of the list to balance it...

Or if you desire speed, drop kanz and add battlewagon for rest of the troops...

Hope this helps

Here was the list i played it worked out well.
The 18 boys went with the mek and the wagon with kans as escort.
Dropped the dred for wagon because most armies coming were marines and str 8 ap 3 kicks ass.
Nobz would go after objectives at the very end which they did pretty well. I came in third out of 13 overall.

P.s the reason i dont run trukks is they tend to die pretty quick.


HQ:
Warboss + power klaw 85 pts
Big Mek + Kustom Force Field + 2x grot oilers 95 pts
Elites:
10x Lootas 150 pts
10x Lootas 150 pts
Troops:
30x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 215 pts
30x Shoota boys + nob with power klaw + 3 big shootas 230 pts
18x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 127 pts
4x nob bikers + 2x power klaw + painboy 260 pts (Troops due to Warboss’s Da Big Boss special rule)
Heavy Support:
Battlewagon + ‘ard case + red paintjob + grot riggers + zzap gun + 2x big shootas 140 pts
3x Killa kans + 3x rokkitlaunchas 150 pts
Looted wagon + boomgun + 2x bigshoota + ard case 125 pts
Total 1848 pts



Automatically Appended Next Post:
I didn't have time too change the list sorry.

how did you do in the tourney?

It says 3 out of 13

HQ:
Warboss + power klaw 85 pts
Big Mek + Kustom Force Field 85 pts
Elites:
10x Lootas 150 pts
11x Lootas 165 pts
Troops:
30x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 215 pts
30x Shoota boys + nob with power klaw + 3 big shootas 230 pts
18x Slugga choppa boys+ nob with power klaw 127 pts
4x nob bikers + 2x power klaw + painboy 260 pts (Troops due to Warboss’s Da Big Boss special rule)
Heavy Support:
Battlewagon + ‘ard case + red paintjob + grot riggers + 4x big shootas 135 pts
Battlewagon + ‘ard case + red paintjob + grot riggers + 3x big shootas 130 pts
3x Killa kans + 3x rokkitlaunchas 150 pts
Looted wagon + boomgun + 2x bigshoota + ard case 125 pts
Total 1852 pts



Da new One

This list is a bit confusing as you want your army moving at the same pace with the exception of lootas as they have a high range. so I would suggest going for some speed or on foot you cant mix with much success also one battlewagon would not be transporting anything as your units are to big what is it meant to be doing in its position?

The extra battlewagon didn't do much except block los. But i did come 1st at the latest tourney sooo...

Heres one thing you are listening to YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE 1 TYPE OF LIST! Speed freeeeeeeeeeeeek, kan wall or greentide, IMO the Wagon rush (battlewagons) works great with Ghaz, mek w/ kff, 4 battlewagons w/ deffrollaz, 3 boyz mobz, nob squad, and some lootaz. Seriously, if you listen you will DOMINATE your oponents. (Unless they are the leafblower.)