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This might have been here before, but I couldn't find it.

If I stand in a position with cover save, and throw a demo charge at an enemy, does he recieve cover save?

Also, if it scatters back and hits me, do I get a cover save?

If you are in area terrain, yes.

hemlighest wrote:This might have been here before, but I couldn't find it.

If I stand in a position with cover save, and throw a demo charge at an enemy, does he recieve cover save?

Also, if it scatters back and hits me, do I get a cover save?

depends for the enemy. the rules say you can ignore the first two inches of cover if you're the one in it. if the majority of your squad is within 2" of the edge of the cover, the enemy doesn't recieve a save. if the majority are over 2", they do. if it scatters back, you wouldn't get a save unless it was area terrain, in which case your squad would.

i use alot of demo charges and i always tell my opponent the IG apparently gives only the biggest drunks in the corps the demo charges. they can purposelessy only throw them 6" away but can accidentally throw them 15" in front or even 3" behind them at max range!

1 Depends on exact circumstances. You being in cover does not in itself grant cover to the enemy but it is possible that the enemy will have cover from you. If you're shooting through more than 2" of area terrain the enemy has cover. If your cover comes from a wall that you are standing up against the enemy doesn't get cover from that wall. Depends, see rulebook cover section for details.

2 If you're standing in area terrain you have cover. Yes, even from yourself. It should also be possible for a unit to be obscured from itself even without area terrain.

warboss - that is not how the rule works. You are assuming the converse where this is not logically correct.

Simply being more than 2" inside area terrain ONLY gives your opponent a cover save (if they are standing outside) if you are firing between 2 elements of the area terrain.

nosferatu1001 wrote:warboss - that is not how the rule works. You are assuming the converse where this is not logically correct.

Simply being more than 2" inside area terrain ONLY gives your opponent a cover save (if they are standing outside) if you are firing between 2 elements of the area terrain.

how is that different from what i said?

warboss wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:warboss - that is not how the rule works. You are assuming the converse where this is not logically correct.

Simply being more than 2" inside area terrain ONLY gives your opponent a cover save (if they are standing outside) if you are firing between 2 elements of the area terrain.

how is that different from what i said?

You forgot an important bit.

Thanks for the answers. The situation this might come into play, is when I deploy my Guardsman Marbo, and use his demo charge.

Shooting between elements of area terrain and shooting from more than 2" inside area terrain are two different bullet points. If a piece of area terrain is between you and the enemy then it grants cover if you are shooting between elements of it. If the shooter is inside area terrain and has to shoot through more than 2" of that terrain piece that also gives cover.

Raxmel - nope, incorrect, as I have already pointed out.

All it states is that shooting from within 2" does not *grant* a save. It does NOT mean the converse -that shooting from more than 2" in DOES grant a save.

A implies B does NOT mean B implies A. Basic logic there.

Nos is correct. If the target is in the open then you must be firing through 2 elements of area terrain for them to claim a cover save regardless of if the shooter is in the terrain or not.

Maelstrom - not quite. If the target is in area terrain they gain a cover save regardless of where you are shooting from.

If they are in the open and you are shooting from less than 2" from the edge you do not grant a cover save, if you are more than 2" into area terrain you only grant a cover save to a unit in the open if you fire between two elements of the terrain.

That's right. If you are in area terrain, you are eligible for a cover save even if your own blast scatters back onto you.