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Okay, so today at the big apocalypse game, we had a beard attacking my wife's grey hunters. A bit of a problem, my wife had to regain composure several times and actually ended up having to lean on someone else for support....I started to lay down the law and he understood that.

I was just wondering what others do when people beard (cheat) ingame. Do you ask them to stop, or to clarify. I actually put down an army list myself, but the other guys didn't even have a fething army list. Just relying on their defunct memories. And this is at a GAMES WORKSHOP. Gacking heck, I mean its just so annoying.

What do you do when you find a beard playing in a big game?

I first ask them to stop, or I'll do something that will obliterate them. They call my "bluff" and chat again.

I point at my CCS commander and say "He is a count as Creed and I shall now outflank 3 fully upgraded Leman Russ Demolishers, with Sponson Multi Meltas and such."

He says I can't because it's illegal. So I show him the special rule that Creed has.

I then kill a tank or two a turn until he runs out of tanks, then turn to the rest of his army, until he stops cheating. He doesn't? I table him then take it to the guys that run the store.


My rolling skills increase indefinitely when people make me angry.

If it's Apoc I out flank Titans and see how he likes it.

Every time he trys to use a spacewolf special rule just tell him unless he can physically prove the rule exists he has vanilla marines. If he cant provide proof of special rules ( army list and codex ) then he has a basic equipment marine squad as he has no proof of allocating equipment / points paid / special rules applied etc .

If he complains tell him someone else would be all to pleased to give him a game as these items are a BASIC REQUIREMENT OF THE GAME !!!!

It always helps to state this before play starts , a friendly exchange of lists between opposing sides gives each of you an idea of what you are facing and solves the "no list / codex " problem before a single dice is rolled (and diffuses any problems before they start )

Hope you have more fun in future

MAY THE DICE GODS SHINE ON YOU
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I find that a steel-toed size 12 working boot kicking someone in the crotch as hard as you can works pretty well.

You know, the sort of kick that lifts the target like a whole foot off of the ground and turns his nether regions into so much strawberry jam.

Yea, good tymes.

No army list, for me, means I won't play with you.

If the guy is so confident on having it all in his memory, he'll have no issues to write it down on paper out of courtesy towards his opponents.

Docta
Just challenge them. Anytime you don't know what the rule is, don't take their word for it, look it up. If they're actually cheating just act like they made an innocent mistake, but make sure they take the move or the shooting or whatever back. That way you stay polite but you also don't get cheated. After that game if you really think someone was deliberately cheating refuse to play them. And talk behind their back
AF

Dark wrote:No army list, for me, means I won't play with you.

If the guy is so confident on having it all in his memory, he'll have no issues to write it down on paper out of courtesy towards his opponents.

I agree, them and their memory, I want to know what I am up against so that I can work out just how I am going to charge right at them (full on or WAAAGH!!!-style ).

Dark wrote:No army list, for me, means I won't play with you.

If the guy is so confident on having it all in his memory, he'll have no issues to write it down on paper out of courtesy towards his opponents.

Agreed. The only time I've played sans army list was in a mega battle when i had to skim down my force from some test units i was gonna impromptu to my actual models... even then i could prove that what i had cost less then the max points allowed...

Also to prevent people from doing stuff like special characters mid game, I tend to ask an overview of what they are running before the game begins... Never had some one refuse me the chance to gloat what they are about to throw at me, and it gives me a chance if they start calling out all these special rules to ask them to show me the page in the rule book or it doesn't happen.

Indeed, besides, this is way worse than proxies, which leads me to a rather nice Necromunda anecdote:

A guy was playing a Delaque gang, with 0 conversions on the minis, so it wasn't WYSIWYG (to the point that he had 2 heavies on his list and only one heavy miniature).

Still, I agreed to play with him and it was an ejoyable game. Why? He had spare copies of his list, and each member of the gang had a number on it, from 1 (the leather) to 5, and on each base he had a piece of masking tape glued and the matching number on it, there was no way the wargear could be wrong in game.

I started doing the same when testing weapons combinations and this practice was well received.

Beard? I guess it means short for "neckbeard", the really unhygenic and often unsociable type of nerd?

morning star+cheater head=ftw

Devastator wrote:morning star+cheater head=ftw

morning star + cheater's hear = jailtime!

Or at least that's more likely what you'll get

Dark wrote:

Devastator wrote:morning star+cheater head=ftw

morning star + cheater's hear = jailtime!

Or at least that's more likely what you'll get

Semantics... <,<

*chuckles*

Thanks for the pointers guys....Most of them have helped so I will be more pro-active in my challenges.

Dark wrote:Indeed, besides, this is way worse than proxies, which leads me to a rather nice Necromunda anecdote:

A guy was playing a Delaque gang, with 0 conversions on the minis, so it wasn't WYSIWYG (to the point that he had 2 heavies on his list and only one heavy miniature).

Still, I agreed to play with him and it was an ejoyable game. Why? He had spare copies of his list, and each member of the gang had a number on it, from 1 (the leather) to 5, and on each base he had a piece of masking tape glued and the matching number on it, there was no way the wargear could be wrong in game.

I started doing the same when testing weapons combinations and this practice was well received.

This is what I do with my Escher gang, and with getting new equipment between games and swapping it round the gang it can be difficult to retain wysiwyg.

VikingScott wrote:

Dark wrote:Indeed, besides, this is way worse than proxies, which leads me to a rather nice Necromunda anecdote:

A guy was playing a Delaque gang, with 0 conversions on the minis, so it wasn't WYSIWYG (to the point that he had 2 heavies on his list and only one heavy miniature).

Still, I agreed to play with him and it was an ejoyable game. Why? He had spare copies of his list, and each member of the gang had a number on it, from 1 (the leather) to 5, and on each base he had a piece of masking tape glued and the matching number on it, there was no way the wargear could be wrong in game.

I started doing the same when testing weapons combinations and this practice was well received.

This is what I do with my Escher gang, and with getting new equipment between games and swapping it round the gang it can be difficult to retain wysiwyg.

I hear you, specially when you play a campaing and with several games per session, with the wargear changing per match.

darkangels_rule wrote:Every time he trys to use a spacewolf special rule just tell him unless he can physically prove the rule exists he has vanilla marines. If he cant provide proof of special rules ( army list and codex ) then he has a basic equipment marine squad as he has no proof of allocating equipment / points paid / special rules applied etc .

Who doesn't bring an army list and rulebook to a game?

No army list and no rulebook = no game IMO.

I also agree. No army list = no game. If I can certainly tell someone is cheating I call them out on it. Though this is very rare Ive ever needed to do it. I find if the other player and I can both read each others final army lists before the game starts and freely see each others codex then that solves most issues.

Sorry to hear you had so many issues with this guy. Remember you can always stop the game and walk away if you feel hes blatantly cheating. And you always have the right to read his army lists. Its a requirement of anyone playing. If he refuses or says he hasnt got it then make him write it out or say you'll leave. Any gamer with nothing to hide will have NO issue doing this.

I would just like to point out that my personal experiance in these situations is the "Misinterpretation" of codex entries and sometimes even rules is the most common form of cheating in 40K. In these cases having a rule book and codex isn't enough to convince someone that they are wrong. It gets even worse when their powerbuild list based on this flawed reading of the rule or entry in question is now broken and not nearly as powerful as they thought.

It's been my experiance that nothing short of a referee, who it is mutualy agreed that weither they are right or wrong their ruleing is law for the duration of that game, is the only way to avoid these issues. This can just as often backfire on you, as the third party may disagree with you as well or they may allow them self to be swayed by your opponents arguement or (gasp) you might even be wrong.

Something I used to do when I felt like I was being really badley cheated is fall back on another of my hobbies... slight of hand illusions . There are an impressive number of magic tricks involving dice that you may find interesting in these situations. Sadley I've fallen out of practice with them and they are no longer as well practiced for me but you may like to give them a look.

On disagreeing on rule interpretation. A good way to decide when you reach an impasse on that is to just let a dice roll decide it.

I have most of the Codexes on my comp, and research them regularly, so any player cheating I promptly slap in the face, and it has happened, ap 5 becomes ap 4, str 4 becomes 5, stuff liek that....oh and str 10 ap 4 becomes str 10 ap 1 large blast.

Shave them - half an eyebrow at a time.

Start with opposite sides of both eyebrows (or should they be a monobrow, make it two, then do this).

What I have noticed, is that usually when people cheat on some rules, they sometimes leave other rules out.

I remember one kid trying to convince me that his Hive Tyrant always had a 3+ save among many other things in his army.

I let it slide because he never called me on Shadow of the Warp.


Of course I don't let a big thing slide, although I usually try to beat them despite them being a jerk about it.

Dark wrote:No army list, for me, means I won't play with you.

Exactly this.