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Haven't seen anyone comment on these just yet.

edit: Very tame "scenarios." Most interesting bit is the limitation to minimal terrain (5 pieces).

edit2: They're updated the missions a bit, to better show deployment zones. Still have the typo under Draw conditions, though - you get a minor win for > 100 vps, but a Draw up to 1000 vps.

It should also be noted that GW has updated the 'Ard Boyz Rules. They no longer have incorrect dates (no dates at all, in fact), and now specify that we'll be playing 8e.

One of the quirks of Ard Boys is usually some odd scenario issue. I wonder if taking them straight from the book is due to the relatively new system or something else...

calltoarms wrote:One of the quirks of Ard Boys is usually some odd scenario issue. I wonder if taking them straight from the book is due to the relatively new system or something else...

I suspect it's meant to keep things "simple" this year, yes. The rules are new, the scenarios are "new" (although they stuck with VP-based ones), and they minimized the potentially goofy terrain.

I just wish they had settled on 7 pieces, rather than 5.

OK, Not too up on 8th edition but are the victory point condisions off?

Draw if margin of victory is less then 1,000
but Minor win if its 100vp or more?

Is that backwards?

1 too many zeroes in the "Draw" condition, I think.

(You can also achieve a Massacre with very few points, if neither player kills much.)

I'm surprised that most of these scenarios make it less optimal to take banners rather than more...

Killjoy00 wrote:I'm surprised that most of these scenarios make it less optimal to take banners rather than more...

If by "most," you mean "one scenario," then yes.

Well, they are all VP based with no bonuses for banners. So you are giving up more potential VPs the more banners you take...

5 pieces of terrain might be little, but thankfully we don't have to spend 30 minutes rolling up terrain like we do right now.

Yeah, I have no problems with skipping the terrain-generation phase of the game. MUCH will depend on the size of terrain pieces/height of hills available wherever you play, though.

Sazzlefrats wrote:5 pieces of terrain might be little, but thankfully we don't have to spend 30 minutes rolling up terrain like we do right now.

Amen! I do need to go learn what the various kinds of forest are now though, folks around here haven't been using the Terrain rules much.

Same here. We've been using just plain jane forrest, hills, and obstacles.

I'm kind of surprised that it took them this long to produce such soft scenarios, but I'm glad that the scenarios shouldn't cause anybody to re-write their lists or change armies (like 40k Ard boyz round 2).

A couple of questions that seem obvious to me, but wanted to see what people thought.

#3 - table quarters. It doesn't specify what you need for quarters, can we just assume you need any part of a unit of yours and no unit of theirs?

#2 "horde" - I assume you'd have to kill their unit while it is in horde formation. That's a little weird, but whatever. It means that if a unit is in horde form, and you kill it to less than 10 models before finishing it, then finish it, you don't get the point. Similarly, you'll have to keep some unit at least 10 wide to prevent the other person from auto-getting the point?

What I found amusing is that the rules are from 2009 so the dates and more importantly THE EDITION IS STILL 7TH! and Skaven are still waiting for their army book.

Thanks for the link.

On another note, are they allowing the Grand Army list/option?

It is a 3k battle, so yes.

Killjoy00 wrote:
#2 "horde" - I assume you'd have to kill their unit while it is in horde formation. That's a little weird, but whatever. It means that if a unit is in horde form, and you kill it to less than 10 models before finishing it, then finish it, you don't get the point. Similarly, you'll have to keep some unit at least 10 wide to prevent the other person from auto-getting the point?

Don't forget the part that says if they have no hordes you automatically get the point.

So even if you fail to kill it outright (which is dumb) you get the point for them having no hordes.

Well, unless they had another horde unit. So if they had two horde units. You attack and kill his first horded unit down to 9 people. They then fail combat and are run down. You have not scored a bonus point.

In one of the scenarios (#3?) the deployment zones don't match that in the book.

I also noted that it appears that they are dictating where the terrain goes. If you look, all three maps are unique, even though the deployment zones are identical. That to me says that you set up the terrain as it shows in on the map.

As per the horde bonus, I agree, otherwise you get the point for killing any unit with 20+ models.

From what I can tell, the terrain is the same on 1 and 3. So I don't think they meant for that to be the terrain setup.

And my interpretation is that mission 3 is supposed to be like meeting engagement, just with a straight across zone rather than diagonal.


Though, the more I look at it, I think it is equally likely they just copy/pasted from the first mission and that's why the page numbers are wrong too. Sigh, incompetence.

Will be up to the TO's as usual to sort out the mess

Killjoy00 wrote:I'm surprised that most of these scenarios make it less optimal to take banners rather than more...

Thank god I can still go to 'Ard Boyz!

Interesting, since I'm planning to take no wizard, no bsb, and no horde unit, I'll be automatically giving up 1 battle point in each of the different scenarios (each of this is listed in only 1 of the scenarios).

Where does it say how many battle points a massacre / major win / minor win / draw is worth? I must be missing it, I don't see it anywhere.

My skaven list just got a lot scarier!!!!

Im wondering for that horde thing, if it has to be in horde the whole game, or just when the game ends...

Cause i run my big blocks 7x7 with music in case i want to go horde...

Could come in handy to keep them like that then just go pop 10xX on turn 6.

Where does it say how many battle points a massacre / major win / minor win / draw is worth? I must be missing it, I don't see it anywhere.

It is in the main rules package (which as others have stated is still the 2009 version - but the breakdown of points is still good).

I would interpret horde that you have to have a unit in horde mode the entire time.

As for points, yes its 20/17/13/10

It would seem that way to me, too, Killjoy- otherwise a unit of 10 models could reform to claim horde at the end...

RiTides wrote:Interesting, since I'm planning to take no wizard, no bsb, and no horde unit, I'll be automatically giving up 1 battle point in each of the different scenarios (each of this is listed in only 1 of the scenarios).

Just to address this - you're not "giving up" anything. Your opponent will be getting "free" points, but they aren't contested points - whether he gets those bonus points or not is irrelevant to your score. Just make sure you win your game, and it won't matter that he got an extra bonus point or two.

Good point- thanks! I'm very happy with the scenarios as they seem to encourage a straight-up brawl, and aren't throwing anything too crazy into the mix. I can barely keep the basic game rules straight for 8th edition at this point, let alone anything extra!

RiTides wrote:Good point- thanks! I'm very happy with the scenarios as they seem to encourage a straight-up brawl, and aren't throwing anything too crazy into the mix. I can barely keep the basic game rules straight for 8th edition at this point, let alone anything extra!

I took a couple hours, and typed all of the new terrain rules into a template for printable business cards. I then made up several sets of these "terrain cards," and drop the corresponding card on the terrain as it is generated. My opponents seem to appreciate it, too - they keep snapping up sets of cards, whenever I'm willing to part with them.

Anything that keeps you from having to open the Tome speeds up game play! I really, really want my small rulebook.

can anyone send GW a email to ask if they really meant 1000 points or less for a draw?