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Can gyrocopters march (move 20") and fire their flame cannon, or can they only move 10" and fire?

UNless they have an allowance to march and fire (for example, if they were a skirmisher) then no, they may not.

Gyrocopter: classified as a unique. It is not classified as a move or fire weapon. So what’s stopping it from firing?

If you march you cannot fire weapons.

It would have to have an explicit permission to fire on the march. Since that isn't in the description of the gyro in the Dwarf army book, it can't do it.

RZ

Move or Fire is specific to any movement.

If you move you cant fire.


Theres a rule that allows some units to march and fire.


There is a rule that says units may not march and shoot, unless they have the rule that lets them...


Therefore the gyrocopter cannot march and shoot.

Honestly, i think they can. The rules specifically say that a marching unit cannot use MISSILE WEAPONS. Since the steamgun is a unique weapon and is NOT described as a missile weapon, they are able to march and to shoot in the same turn


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see whfb 8th rulebook p.26

Missile weapons is a broad term for anything that fires a projectile. Thats a very very very very loose RaW interpretation that would probably not hold up to a TO.

So what you are saying is that a cannon counts as a missile weapon, just because it shoots a projectile? Doesnt make sense... And the gyrocopter fires a steamgun: similar to a cannons grapeshot.

A missile weapon is a weapon that launches a projectile, or is a projectile itself...

So yes a cannon is a missile weapon, a crossbow is a missile weapon, a steam gun is a missile weapon...

If it shoots gak, its a missile weapon.

that seems really farfetched... a cannon is described as a war machine so follows the special rules for war machines, regardless what they say about missile weapons... a gyrocopter is a flying war machine following the rules for flying monsters and war machines in case of casting... besides where did you get that interpretation for missile weapon?

The dictionary.

Just because a cannon is defined as a war machine doesnt mean it cant also be a missile weapon.

ALso the Gyrocopter is NOT a warmachine. Otherwise it could never move and fire as all war machines have slow to fire.

Thats exactly what i tried to say, just used the worng words it counts as a warmachine insofar they are affected by spells or magical effects that specifically affect war machines. In all other respects it is treated as a flying monster.

Also, your interpretation of the missile weapon is one from the dictionnary, which covers way too much possibilities to be realistic in case of warhammer gaming. In the rulebook a missile weapon is not described, so you are free to interprete the steam gun as a missile weapon, but for me it just follows the rules that are written

Sounds to me like no amount of logic (even the proper definition of a missile weapon) will change your mind. Saying the definition of a missile weapon cant be used cause its to broad is really stretching it. A missile weapon is something that fires a projectile. You are adjusting the rules to play the gyrocopter the way you want to. Unless it specifically says in the rules for the unit, you cannot march and fire a weapon. iirc the gyrocopter does not have a rule that allows it to fire after marching.


The rules states.

Its also worth noting that a unit that has marched in the movement phase cannot shoot missile weapons during the shooting phase.

Does the gyrocopter shoot a weapon during the shooting phase?
Yes

Did the Gyrocopter march?
Yes

Can the Gyrocopter shoot?
According to page 26, no, it marched therefor it cannot shoot.

Trying to say that the gun on the gyrocopter isnt a missile weapon is treading on TFG grounds.

That would be like saying my poisoned wind mortar could march and shoot. Its classified as a weapon team (not a missile weapon according to you) and doesnt have move or fire.
According to your logic it could march and shoot.

erm yes. I think you are totally making sense, and ofcourse i want to play the gyro the way i want to you are being very logic and all, but still i dont know why you should count a STEAM gun as a missile weapon... but if you do so, you are right. i can see ur point and ok, marching 20 inch and shooting is OP so the 1st turn you will not be able to shoot (generally) from that specific moment on, one normal move with shooting should do the trick anyhow ill discuss this with my club mates and see what ill do


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I am not being very clear. If a gyro can march and shoot, the only moment you should need that is at the 1st turn... from then on a normal move will do

Well, it also makes a difference for *what* you shoot at. True, after the first turn, you should always be able to find something to shoot at, but if you could march, then you could almost always find something *useful* to shoot at. A small distinction, but fairly important.

RZ