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Hi me and my gameing group are new to warhammer and a intersting situation came up when my SAG rolled 6,6. its supposed to remove models from the game. but the necron lord allows models to make 'we'll be back' rolls even when they normaly cant due to by passing armor and instant death rule. but the SAG says remove from the board, is this concidered instant death as well and get the saves or do they die. also eternal warrior would they just be immune to the 6,6 roll or would they just get removed.

warwizard wrote:Hi me and my gameing group are new to warhammer and a intersting situation came up when my SAG rolled 6,6. its supposed to remove models from the game. but the necron lord allows models to make 'we'll be back' rolls even when they normaly cant due to by passing armor and instant death rule. but the SAG says remove from the board, is this concidered instant death as well and get the saves or do they die. also eternal warrior would they just be immune to the 6,6 roll or would they just get removed.

Nope, it's not Instant Death. It Doesn't cause wounds. No Saves of any kind whatsoever can be taken against it. WBB does not help in the slightest.

It's just gone. Poof. Omnomnomnomed by a Rip in Reality.

But to get serious, Removed from the board means exactly that. WBB and Eternal Warrior cannot help you.

Welcome to Dakka too!

A 6,6 on a SAG does not cause any wounds, it just removes models that are underneath the marker from the game. As such, a necron lord or any model for that matter is simply removed, no armour, cover, invulnerable, WBB, FNP, etc, allowed.

Note, that this isn't like instant death. Instant death is (normally) caused by a wound that is double the toughness of the model. As I said, the SAG on a 6,6 causes no wounds.

thanks guys, wow fastest response i ever gotten in a gaming fourm that wasnt a flame =) thats awsome, my orks are happier now. I figured thats how they worked, now to return and try to suck some necrons into the warp you guys have a great site here been lurking for a week now.

Another couple of examples would be Jaws of the World Wolf removing them from the board and Lukas' Last Laugh. Both negate Eternal Warrior, however in the case of Lukas' Last Laugh, the Necron do get their WBB rolls I think from a FAQ ruling. How, I have no idea.

Brother Ramses wrote:Another couple of examples would be Jaws of the World Wolf removing them from the board and Lukas' Last Laugh. Both negate Eternal Warrior, however in the case of Lukas' Last Laugh, the Necron do get their WBB rolls I think from a FAQ ruling. How, I have no idea.

So, since necrons get WBB from that particular "remove from play" effect, wouldn't they get it from the rest of them as well? At least until there is another thing similar to that that is faq'd to say other wise?

The FAQ made that an exception to the rule, not the norm.

Actually... the FAQ for once stuck with RaW.

Lukas doesn't remove anything from play, it "removes them as casualties", which is exactly what WBB is used against (being removed as a casualty that is).

same thing with GoC, and zogworts curse, no wounds are caused, just simply removed from the board. whats left is a gibbering spawn or a very angry squig where they used to be.

This thread both answered a lingering question I was having. And made me treasure my Shokk Attack Gun a wee bit more tonight.

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Doesn't the rules also say that you can remove casualties from the squad and not just from the models directly under the template? So if the template only hit 3 or 4 guys out of a ten-man or so squad (which one so happens to be the Necron Lord or IC), couldn't you just take some random dudes before the Lords?

The rules for allocating wounds let you allocate to guys not under the blast marker. Since the SAG just removes models you don't get to allocate to models that aren't under the blast.

rai722 wrote:Doesn't the rules also say that you can remove casualties from the squad and not just from the models directly under the template? So if the template only hit 3 or 4 guys out of a ten-man or so squad (which one so happens to be the Necron Lord or IC), couldn't you just take some random dudes before the Lords?

I believe the 6,6 result is worded to the effect of "...any models under the template are removed..." So, they would bypass the normal wound allocation rules.

Beyond that, as Brock pointed out, there are no wounds, so there is no way to allocate them.

ahhhh, i see. It's a nice little loophole to get rid of those pesky special characters and Independant Characters!

i love how even if its only the gun, banner, base etc. that gets hit they still "get removed"