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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 08:12:07
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Flailing Flagellant
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What size base should the base be for the:
Eldar Farseer on a jetbike?
Eldar Warlock on a jetbike?
Eldar guardian on a jetbike?
I think there are only 2 choices, either a small flying base or a large one (the one for the Wave Serpent). I notice the Master of the Ravenwing on a Jetbike ( SM kind - err.. one of a kind) came with a big base for him, but he's all metal so kinda needed it to be. I wish GW would make an 40k official list for all army lists troops, but that would be too easy and actually very helpful. Any help would be appreciated. Thx, Stern.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 08:18:24
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The base the model comes with is the one to use...if there is no model then use an appropriate size base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 08:29:12
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The size base that the model was supplied with (in it's orginal GW box) any other answer is bowing to the demands of this hobby and ignoring RAW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 12:16:02
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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ChrisCP wrote:The size base that the model was supplied with (in it's orginal GW box) any other answer is bowing to the demands of this hobby and ignoring RAW 
+1.
Keep in mind, of course, RaW converted models are not allowed!
But in all seriousness, I would base the the same way as the GW Eldar jetbikes are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 14:18:32
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think you're all missing the point.
There is no model for a Farseer on a Jetbike.
So it doesn't come with a base.
Now, to be fair, the Eldar Jetbike DOES, so you could just use that base, since you're just putting a Farseer *on* an Eldar Jetbike.
But what about things like a Herald of Tzeentch on a Chariot of Tzeentch? It's a jetbike, but doesn't come with a base, because there is literally NO model for it.
So if there's no model for the jetbike unit, which flying base do you use? Large or small?
I personally play this one as whatever units it'd normally be grouped with or is similar to in the same codex. If it's a Dark Eldar model, it uses a small flying base. If it's an Eldar model, large. If it's a Daemons model, small. Orks, large. Space Marine, large. And so on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 14:54:33
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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For the eldar jetbikes its best to pick one size base and use that for all of the eldar jetbikes in your army. Yes, eldar jetbikes have been packaged with at least 3 different sized/ shaped bases over the years. Yes, even now eldar jetbikes sometimes are packaged with either the large OR the small size flying base. Yes, in GW books there are pictures of eldar armies with both size bases in the same units.
But its probably best to pick one size base and just go with it for all the bikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 14:57:13
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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WEll, refer back to the previous ponts - if there is no model then, RAW, you cannot field it. Sorted. we hadnt missed the point at all...
So now the rules have been cleared up, you use whatever size base seems appropriate and wont get you kicked out of a tournament / friendly game. So the small round bases for farseers, as that is what base the other jetbikes come on. If you make a suitably impressve double Screamer pulled chariot, as a friend of mine did, then a bigger base would make sense.
As usual with these, rule of cool and not taking the mickey are the two main rules, as the BRB rules dont have any leniency on the matter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 17:44:26
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Get as close as you can and no one should complain. A jetbike? Use the same base than an Eldar Jetbike comes with (largish round). It's in Termi armour and is less than 5 years old? Use the one that the current plastic termies come on. If the model doesn't exist, pick the one most like it that is available and go with it.
Now, if you put said Harley ridin' Farseer on a 25 mm base since that is what a Farseer comes on then there will be issues.
Homer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 17:49:46
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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A 40mm by 25mm base is best...it comes in the package...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 17:53:52
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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LordWynne wrote:A 40mm by 25mm base is best...it comes in the package...
What package?
Edit: Let me clarify. The units OP is referring to don't have models. They don't have packages for bases to come in.
That's the whole point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 18:04:04
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As others have said use the base that came with the jetbike. That being said, jetbikes have come with various sizes over the years and ever GW pictures show mix and match combos so and of the flight bases the have ever used is fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/25 23:31:50
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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LordWynne wrote:A 40mm by 25mm base is best...it comes in the package...
What? eldar jet bikes come with the large clear rouynd flying base that land speeders and such use.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/26 00:58:50
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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The New Miss Macross!
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SaintHazard wrote:LordWynne wrote:A 40mm by 25mm base is best...it comes in the package...
What package?
Edit: Let me clarify. The units OP is referring to don't have models. They don't have packages for bases to come in.
That's the whole point.
really? he's sculpting the entire jetbike himself from scratch? if not and he/she's buying a jetbike to use for the conversion, then it will come with a base (2 in fact, IIRC).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/26 01:03:52
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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warboss wrote:really? he's sculpting the entire jetbike himself from scratch? if not and he/she's buying a jetbike to use for the conversion, then it will come with a base (2 in fact, IIRC).
The base that the jetbike comes with is irrelevant if you're going to use it for something else... Conversions should be based appropriately for the model they are representing, not the original model.
Any unit that doesn't have an official model falls into a grey area in the rules. You can't use the base supplied with the model, as their isn't one.
However, using a base as appropriate for a similar unit (in this case a regular jetbike) is the generally assumed standard. So long as whatever you use looks appropriate, you'll rarely have any issues.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/26 01:38:57
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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warboss wrote:really? he's sculpting the entire jetbike himself from scratch? if not and he/she's buying a jetbike to use for the conversion, then it will come with a base (2 in fact, IIRC).
Yep, if he/she wants to avoid a painful Farseer on Jetbike conversion using the actual jetbike.
The most creative model I've seen was a Farseer surfing on a heavy weapons platform to represent a Jetseer.
Take a look at the Farseer models on the GW site for me. Tell me if you think those can be easily converted to sit on a jetbike.
The answer is that they can't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/31 00:29:14
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Flailing Flagellant
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Thx, ya'll. I just used the small base for all the units.
Another trap with people is the people say use the base the model came with but sometimes on ebay or from friends, there are no bases, so you have to come up with the base. Also sometimes there is no official GW model, but that's ok, I'd rather have rules for units than all the models for the codex. I guess I'll post pics once I'm done painting, but it'll be awhile because I'm a slow painter. :3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/31 02:47:27
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Using the smaller bases is both against the rules, and Disadvantageous for you .... the large bases are a very good thing.
Edit: im assuming you mean the tau gun drone circle bases? and not the sticks, in which case you can use either the long or short stick to stand in the base of the large round clear flying base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/31 03:13:24
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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kill dem stunties wrote:Using the smaller bases is both against the rules, ...
...unless your jetbike came with the smaller base.
Which they did, on and off up until last edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/01 10:21:20
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Still do.
I got two of the beggars last week (new, in box, from the dogbox they laughingly call the local GW).
One came with a big base, one came with a big AND small base (and no uprights).
Just as well the first one had two uprights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/01 23:32:50
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Must have been sitting in a warehouse for years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/02 01:03:39
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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Way back, 2yrs ago, I started using dreadnought bases for all of my eldar jetbikes. I got 3 complaints in over 100 games played.
1. From a friend, you are not using the original sized base. My reply, I'm using the dreadnought base because my model won't fall, and the wing span is just about the same as the base, I don't see any disdvantage or advange that I'm gaining... do you? (His reply = silence, and then repeating the fact I wasn't using the appropiate base, lame huh?)
2. The other two complaints from opponents, I asked them, what advantage do you see? After a moment, they both said they were just complaining because they had't seen it before, not because it affected the game (and far as i can tell, it doesn't)
With that in mind, I've been asking around whats a good sized base to use for jetibikes, winged demon princes and even the great unclean one. Giving people choices on all of them between 25mm round flying, 40mm square, 40mm round, 50mm round (aka privateer press) and 60mm round (dreadnought or flying base or the wraithlord flat base) the general consensus was that the 50mm privateer press round base looks the best all the way around, and thats what I use on my jetbikes, my exodites and my demon princes and greater demons today.
Its not RAW, and its not for game advantage. Hope that helps a little. I find that the 50mm round is very stable for just about anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/02 09:47:50
Subject: Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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You're right its not for game advantage, as the advantage lies in having a large base, not a smaller one. The fact their bases are so large lets them multiassault 2-4 vehicles that are within any reasonable range of each other very easily.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/02 13:29:26
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Personally I use small bases on my jetbikes but play coherency, measuring, hits from templates/markers, etc is done from the model and ignore the base it's self since it just makes more sense that way. All other bikes are the elongated shape, so it just seems just to have jetbikes with the same footprint.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/09/02 13:37:23
Subject: Re:Jetbike bases for ICs and others
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BlueDagger wrote:Personally I use small bases on my jetbikes but play coherency, measuring, hits from templates/markers, etc is done from the model and ignore the base it's self since it just makes more sense that way. All other bikes are the elongated shape, so it just seems just to have jetbikes with the same footprint.
Do you shoot from the jetbike's "hull" too? Check line of sight from its weapons, perhaps?
And what happens if your opponent objects to you measure coherency, distance, range, and determine blast marker/template hits from the "hull?"
Jetbikes have bases for a reason.
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