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I am trying to start the daemon hunters and I would like your opinions on some good army list so i dont waste my money.......

I also really want to use the assassins and grey knights whenever possibe

Thanks in advance

How "Good" are we talking about? With Daemon Hunters, that'll be a little tricky (doesnt help that they have 90% metal models for a pure DH list so that'll be expensive)

I just want to have a chance of winning a game or two

But in a seriousness, I don't mind spending the money, just as long as its for good units.

Take a look at the Daemonhunter tactica on Dakka. There are some good tips in there. General rules of thumb. CC inquisitors suck, keep them ranged. Don't take the GreyKnight fast attack choices. They suck in most instances. Greyknights are a ranged army with good cc ability, Shrouding is your best friend (many think it sucks, but it can be usefull to someone who knows how). Greyknight terminators are fantastic, make sure to give them psycannons and not flamers.

Vindicare assassins rarely work as well as you'd hope. Culexus assassins are fantastic vs psykers, but not as good otherwise. Callidus Assassins are money. Eversor Assassins are CC beasts, but be carefull with them.


I think thats the basics. More people who aren't as tired as I am can fill in the rest.

Rumors are a new codex is in the works for a january release so realistically a feb/mar release. From some of the rumors going around, they will be an elite army. Maybe 30 models at 2000pts.

If you don't want to wait, just pick up Terminators, PAGKs plus psycannon models. They will still be at the core of any codex.


As far as inquisitor. Null rod, psycannon, power armor upgrades are it!

I use the callidus assassin and I find her to be amazing and really fun to play. I've had her wipe 10 man space marine tac squads by herself.

Some of the rumors....


The list and comments of rumors are located here.

Disclaimer: Please remember these are PT notes. These may not be in the final codex.

Release items:

Codex: there is much less focus on Inquisition aspects, and no SoB. No Allies. A GK army.

Boxes:
Storm Raven. obvious choice. Options for BA, GK and ???

TA knights: 5 pack, Paladin upgrades, squad upgrades. Psycannon, NFW, SSTH, banner?

PA knights: 10 pack, justicar upgrades, squad upgrades, extra bits. NFW, psycannon, incinerator, banner?

walker: There have been some rumors of a GK driven walker. I have not personally seen this in any incarnation. However, there is a boxed walker of some type. I suspect this is a dreadnaught box set that will also have bits for BA.

Tank: I have not seen mention of a GK troop transport. Rhino based with psycannon options has been in some PT. I list this as possible, but unlikely, 4 box sets of this size are about par for a release, 5 would be a surprise.

Blisters:
New Stern

New Chaplain?

Justicar upgrade character

Paladin upgrade character

Inquisition character

2 other blisters unknown contents

Other:
Later release of GK themed terrain set? Concepts are out and some “preview” shots are floating around if you hunt. Nothing more I can say on this.

Rule bits:

these are very subject to revision, but not for much longer, to hit a Jan/Mar window codex needs to be tied up and sent to printers soon:

NFW lose the changing abilities based on rank of user. standardized to PA NFW is PW with special abilities vs Daemons, TA NFW is FW with same.

Some interesting Psychic abilities. just about all squads have psychic options. Heavy on they disabling side. Enemy psychers beware.

Not a lot of Mech. But quick to deploy.

Corrected Psycannon profile (updated 8-12-2010):
24″ A3 AP3 S6, no invul saves, pinning test for units or models with psykers.
or 36″ H1 AP4 S5 5″ blast, no invul saves, no cover saves. (does not cause psyker pinning)

(updated 8-12-2010): Incinerator, no profile changes noted: S5 AP4 A1 template, no invul or cover saves.

(updated 8-12-2010): GK Annointed Armor: All GKs (TA, PA, AA, etc.) wear ornate armor which has been blessed and annointed to provide additional protection both physically and spiritually. Any GK may always Re-roll any failed armor, invul, or cover saves.

Army wide. Daemonic Infestation makes summoned demons less instable?

No allies from/to other Codii. new fodder units in codex. not same as guard units.

New options for Dreadnaughts including libby. psycannon arm. Purge weapon…large pie plate, special abilities include forcing instability test for daemons, including DoC armies, pinning in other armies.

Added 8-3-2010:
The basic GK marine profile looks very similar to a SM sergeant.

The box sets should all be plastic.

I’ve seen other people posting rumors of a penitent engine style walker, with a PAGK driver…I have absolutely no confirmation of such a beast. However, if GW wanted to avoid the cries of “GK dont have Dreads, it isnt fluffy” that could be a way…

While External Allies rules are gone by all accounts, it does not mean allies in the codex are gone. Inquisition forces ARE present, just not as dominant. And you will recognize others.

A conversation earlier centered around an ability named “Out the Heretic” which could be used against non-daemon forces causing one unit to “count as” daemons.

Some models “may” be on display at GDUK.

Added 8-3-2010:
I’ve seen “other” sites reporting I said nfw gave wound daemons on 2+. I never said that. Not sure where that is coming from.

From what I know right now nfw will be +2S across the board as now, but pagks will all count as pw, and tagks will all count as fw. Then on top of that, all nfw gain additional capabilities vs daemons. Plus unit leaders may have master crafted nfw…not sure if it’s upgrade or standard.

Added 8-9-2010:
GK 2000pt AL from PT:

HQ
GM w Retinue
Named character

Elite
5-man TAGK squad + 2 spec weapons
Dread – unknown configuration

Troop
2x 5-man PAGK squad + 1 spec weapon + razorback
10-man ????? squad + chimera

Fast
Storm Raven

No Heavies

Added 8-9-2010:
The PT list posted was played against 2k of Orks including nobs, mek with kff, lots of boys in trukks, a BW and dread mob. It was C&C with DoW.

GKs held most in reserve.
PAGKS in RB came in turn 2 and moved to boys flank. 1 squad got tarpitted with boys, the other fought thru boys to take objective 1.
unknown unit had HQ attached, spent game trading shots with dread mob until TAGKS arrived to help.
TAGKs TP in turn 4 and later assaulted Dread mob. 4 standing at end of game.
The SR took out one trukk turn 3 and the bw turn 5. Dread and HQ w retinue arrived in it and assaulted Nob mob. wiping it out in 1 round. then started after other boys.

It was reported as a pretty one sided battle. GKs nearly unassailable. GK win with 1 objective and second contested in turn 6. supposedly orks were close to 4:1 outnumbering GKs

Added 8-10-2010:
Interesting bit here. Got to see some layout work on the new codex. I’ll confirm the rumors of a fleshed out chapter org chart, but it’s not your typical SM structure of 10 companies of 100 marines for sure

WOW!!!!!

Where did you find this out?

Seriously where did you find all that? i've been dieing to find out