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So in the old rules a dragon counted as an extra hero slot no matter who was riding it (hero or lord, I play High Elves). How does this work out with percentages? The way my friends and I have agreed to play it is that if a Lord is riding a dragon, you take the cost out of the Lord %. If a hero is riding it, you take it from Heroes. Are we wrong? This just seems like the easier way to do it rather than say: ok my lord costs 300 points towards their 25% but his mount costs another 300 points toward the hero %. I love fielding dragons. Please, I need input.

Cost is cost. The cost of their magic items and abilities contributes to their total value. The cost of them sitting on an insanely powerful, fire breathing monster also contributes. They fight challenges together, they are one unit.

You are playing it the correct way.

If the mount is chosen FOR the lord, then his cost goes under the % for the Lord section. If the mount is chosen for the hero, then it goes towards the % for the hero.

Theyre together it was somewhere in the FAQs, can't check where right now.

Cool. Good to know we've been playing the right way. Thank you all.

It was FAQ'd to now say that Dragons don't count as separate choices, they're a mount for the Lord and thus count towards the selection of the rider.
If the Lord is riding a Dragon, the Lord's points plus the Dragon's points all count as a Lord selection and thus may not fit in the 25% limit for Lords.
If the Hero rides it, all of the points for both Hero and Dragon are under the Hero points limit of 25%.

This also means that you could spend all of your 25% in Heroes with a Prince+Dragon, then still spend up to 25% on Lords. Or Vice versa.


Does that make sense/sound clear?

So in a 2,000 point game you can spend 500 points on a lord+dragon and another 500 points on a hero+dragon

YEs, you could. Good luck finding a Lord dragon combo that fits in 500 points.

You could actually have a HE Prince on a Moon Dragon for 450 points.

For HE you could certainly field 2 dragons in a 2k game, but you will not have much of anything else, and with the new steadfast rules, you would get creamed by most balanced armies.

Dragons are not as dangerous as they were in 7th, but they can still be viable if used correctly. Large blocks of infantry might be better places to put the points though.

I asked a similar question on here and the answers that i got were that it had been FAQ'd and the dragon (or whatever) no longer counts as an extra hero choice and it just all counts to a lord choice, that's presuming the character is a lord choice.

Lehnsherr wrote:You could actually have a HE Prince on a Moon Dragon for 450 points.

For HE you could certainly field 2 dragons in a 2k game, but you will not have much of anything else, and with the new steadfast rules, you would get creamed by most balanced armies.

Dragons are not as dangerous as they were in 7th, but they can still be viable if used correctly. Large blocks of infantry might be better places to put the points though.

Get those two Dragons to charge the same block of Infantry however, and it's likely to not be there anymore to be Steadfast. One of my biggest problems I had when I ran a Lord on Monster was the Champion issuing a Challenge and thus being unable to attack the unit. With two characters going in, that will be much less of a problem, freeing one of the Dragons up to use it's Breath and Thunderstomp to lay waste to the block.

You have to remember Aduro that in order to field the 2 dragons, one would be a Sun Dragon ridden by a Dragon Mage.

I still wouldn't want to charge a large block of infantry with the two dragons, as your Moon Dragon / Lord would likely end up in the challenge, unless you were willing to sacrifice your Dragon Mage. Sun Dragons are still Dragons, and could win a challenge, but you would still likely lose your Dragon Mage very quickly. Not to mention your Prince would not really be that effective himself, and likely die to a large block of infantry leaving you with just the 2 Dragons.

It would be a gimmick army that would be alot of fun to play, but overall I doubt it would be very effective. Most armies now field war machines, and they would tear that combo apart very fast. If I had the Dragons myself I would certainly try it out though, just for fun.

Excuse me if I'm wrong about this but I thought lords and heroes counted as 1 25% block together not as one 25 for lords and one 25 for heroes.

blak43 wrote:Excuse me if I'm wrong about this but I thought lords and heroes counted as 1 25% block together not as one 25 for lords and one 25 for heroes.

You are incorrect, they each can be 25% of the army, for a total of 50% of your army being characters.

As Citadel has stated, it is 25% each. I wouldn't suggest making an army with 50% of your points going to Hero's and Lords, as the new rules really moved the game away from HeroHammer, and more towards a balanced army.

The new lord and hero rules do allow you to field Lords in 1k games which I find fun. Really gives you options to toy around with lists.

Lehnsherr wrote:You are playing it the correct way.

If the mount is chosen FOR the lord, then his cost goes under the % for the Lord section. If the mount is chosen for the hero, then it goes towards the % for the hero.

This. All upgrades taken for the character counts towards the corresponding lord/hero limit. Including things that would normally be under another listing like chariots. If a character takes a chariot it must be listed and counted towards Lord/hero points limit.