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http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops/ELYSIAN-TAUROS-VENATOR.html

That's a link to the FW Venator for the Elysians. My question is; do you think anyone would be opposed to subbing these in as Sentinels in a Cadian army? Obiovusly I would swap the heads around and paint it in a Cadian scheme, the only problem I can see is if people argue that the profile of the model is now much squatter and thus easier to obtain cover saves from. What do you guys think?

L. Wrex

Definitely one of the coolest Elysian FW models, in my opinon.

Unfortunately, also one without an exact analogue in the IG codex.

I would personally be alright with the Tauros Venator being run "Counts As" a Scout Sentinel (Armored Sentinel is much harder to justify), but I can see people being opposed simply because, like you said, a model like that, which is lower to the "ground" than your standard Scout Sentinel, nabs cover saves more easily.

I think the bigger problem then the modeling for advantage lower to the ground is that sentinels are walkers and your vehicle although cool has wheels.

Kirika wrote:I think the bigger problem then the modeling for advantage lower to the ground is that sentinels are walkers and your vehicle although cool has wheels.

How would that affect anything?

If it counts as a walker, it's a walker. Who cares if it has vehicles? It has a 6" move, can't move at cruising speed, can fire all of its weapons when moving, and you always hit front armor in CC, which doesn't matter because Scout Sentinels are AV10 all around.

The fact that it has wheels means nothing.

The only problem is that it's a really expensive model for just 35 points or whatever. I'd run one as a Hellhound or something similar.

Brother SRM wrote:The only problem is that it's a really expensive model for just 35 points or whatever. I'd run one as a Hellhound or something similar.

There IS the Tauros Assault Vehicle, which has a roof-mounted heavy flamer instead of a twin-linked lascannon.

He could use that one, "Counts As" Hellhound. I'd accept that in an instant, no questions asked.

+1 for counts as hellhound variant. Great idea.

Yeah it seems a bit expensive cash-wise for a Scout Sentinel. I third the Hellhound idea.

I'm a very big fan of using it as a Hellhound. However, it may be sustaining belief somewhat by claiming such a lightly armoured vehicle offers the same protection as a Dreadnought.

I'll have to see if there's some way to afix additional armour plates to the model to represent its thicker values.

Thanks guys!

L. Wrex

The kit comes with a multi-laser so you could always counts as Chimera.

Mattieau wrote:The kit comes with a multi-laser so you could always counts as Chimera.

*Blinks* Eh?

L. Wrex

The weapon options on a Tauros Venator don't lend themselves to Sentinels.

They do, however, match the weapon loadout on Chimeras--or close enough to be a decent counts as.

I would argue that they suit a Sentinel much better as they can be armed with either multi-lasers or lascannons, both of which Sentinels can have.

Chimeras would not work as there is a) not enough guns, b) too little armour c) a much, much smaller profile and d) no way to even imaginarily fit 12 men inside a Venator.

I agree that with some modification on the armour front it could resemble a Hellhound quite well but a Chimera? No...not really.

L. Wrex

You do realize that the profile on a Venator is actually pretty damned close to the same as a Chimera, right? There's a few millimeters difference in the height of the Chimera's turret v. the Venator.

And also that there's no way to "even imaginarily fit 12 men"(at least with full combat loadouts) inside of a Chimera too, right?

Yeah, practically every transport, when compared with the base infantry model, would have no way of holding as many as they say they do.

I think that forgeworld models are rare enough that most people will say "oooh is that forgeword?" rather than think about the size of the model.

Thats what I would do.