Just a quick clarification concerning PSAs and multiple-powers

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**Xca|iber**

If a unit (such as a Tzeentch DP) that may cast multiple psychic powers a turn fails its psychic test to cast a shooting attack, e.g. Doombolt, may the unit use its second psychic power to attempt to fire again? (I know it can't fire twice).

Thanks

**Maelstrom808**

I would say no. There's a line on BRB page 50: "Note that a psyker who rolls double 1 will still use his power, even if he is wounded or killed as a result" which kind of implies that a failed result did not actually use the power. However if you follow that logic, then a psyker who fails his test to use a power, may simply try again and again and again until he casts it or is killed from too many Perils results. I don't think that was the intent of the wording of that line. So you pretty much have to assume that if you failed the roll, then it was an "unsuccessful use" of the power.

**Fiend**

I'd say no as well based on the fact that any model may shoot once per shooting phase (unless otherwise specified). A PSA still counts as shooting, so you can attempt it only once a turn.

Edit: My answer was based on a normal model, not a MC. With an MC you could, but they are fired simultaneously so you can't fire the same PSA twice.

**Gwar!**

Yes, you can.

What you cannot do is fire the same weapon twice, for the same reason a model that can fire two weapons cannot fire the same weapon twice.

That being the fact that being able to shoot twice isn't the same as being able to shoot the same weapon twice.

Edit: Silly me, misread the question.

**Tri**

MC (ie DP) may fire two weapons ... so you can use two shooting powers.

**Xca|iber**

Wait, so if I roll an 11 and the power doesn't cast, I still count as using my PSA?

**Gwar!**

Xca|iber wrote:Wait, so if I roll an 11 and the power doesn't cast, I still count as using my PSA?

Yes, you count as using a PSA, because you did use it. Just because it failed to do anything doesn't mean you didn't use it. You can't fire a PSA, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, try and cast again, roll an 11, which is what you are suggesting.

**Xca|iber**

Okay thanks.

**nosferatu1001**

There's an easier way to look at it: ALL shooting, including PSA, from a single unit must be declared at the same time.

So if you have 1 PSA and can shoot two weapons, but only have the one PSA, NO MATTER WHAT you can only declare *1* PSA when you declare what shooting you are doing. Even if you fail that test your oppurtunity to declare another PSA has gone - you have started to resolve shooting.