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I have been reading up on the subject and think I am ready to get my list together so i can start buying models. 15 points are still other there to play with.

HQ:
5 Company Command Squad Meltagun x4;
1 Chimera

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Plasmagun x3
1 Chimera Heavy Flamer

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Plasmagun x3
1 Chimera Heavy Flamer

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Meltagun x3
1 Chimera Heavy Flamer

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Meltagun x3
1 Chimera Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack:
1 Vendetta Gunship

Fast Attack:
1 Vendetta Gunship

Heavy Support:
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank; Lascannon

Heavy Support:
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank; Lascannon

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Meltagun x3 (in the gun ship)

Troops:
10 Veteran Squad Meltagun x3(in the gun ship)

Heavy Support:
1 Manticore Rocket Launcher

Total Roster Cost: 1745

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Drop Astropath. only 2 units will use him. How many Ships are in that squad?

Other than that pretty standard. Ass in a 4th melta to your command. maybe add in some melta bombs here and there

this list will do fine...can you say redundancy though...wow...lotsa melta!!....but you could have one more melta gunner on your command section if you liked...4 vets...the astopath is in addition to the 4 vets and commander...otherwise mass melta to the face will make most armies cringe...roll the chimmys forward first turn with smoke...covering fire from the LR battle tanks...with the vendetta's scouting forward first turn...should make the enemy say huh??...you will find that the army is short on numbers though so must be played carefully after the first turn to minimize casualties...

Yeah I did not want to do any thing crazy with my first list. Should I change my weapons load outs?

sickening wrote:Yeah I did not want to do any thing crazy with my first list. Should I change my weapons load outs?

Well you have plenty of anti marine weapons. if you want you could swap russes for hydras. shut down fast armies very quickly

Do you not this the Russes will make for a more well rounded list?

Take out a few Meltas and bring in some Plasma

This list is fine. The 15 points should be used to turn 3 meltaguns into 3 plasma guns. If you don't particularly care where your vendettas come from, then drop the astropath and turn 6 more melta into plasma.

Ok changed up the plasmaguns and added the 4th melta to the HQ unit.


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For variety, I am considering dropping the Vendetta vets in exchange for a platoon with 2 x inf squads (with flamers if I have the points), platoon command with 4 x Melta and a special weapons squad with 3 x melta.

Take one of the Chimera vet squads and chuck them in a Vendetta, put the special weapons squad in the other Vendetta and have the command squad in the Chimera.

This gives me more orders to play around with as well as a 20-man mini blob squad to go to ground in cover on a home objective.

This is a little bit of info passed to me.

Is that a no go on the platoon then?

That would be correct. A no no with all the vets you're taking.

Do the Leman Russes have HB sponsons? If ya, ditch them, they force you to move slower or not at all. If you feel you can't pop transports quickly enough, drop a leman russ for 2 hydras or get the LR Exterminator, it's a little more expensive but it is far more mobile and is also much more survivable.

personally id like to see less meltas/plasma per team. 2 meltas per vet squad is plenty. im not a fan of plasma, give me melta anytime.
my list is similar but i have a couple of hydras and griffons.

ccs 2 melta chimera
vets 2 melta chimera
vets 2 melta chimera
vets 2 melta chimera
vets 2 melta vendatta
vets vendetta
banewolf with melta
2 hydra
2 griffon
leman russ punisher
leman russ demolisher
guardsman marbo

No HB sponsons.
Would I be better off dropping 1 melta/plasma from each unit to make my 2 LR in a Exterminators?

Seeing as how you have too many, I would.

Change the LR into a Exterminator and did not loose any points.

Now if I drop 1 each melta/plasma from my vets there are 75 points free but not real sure what to do with them. I could add a heavy bolter or stubber to each of my transports.

giving veterans three special weapons is too many? This is a terribly blasphemy. The emperor will burn your soul in the warp for all time if you waste BS4 like that.

the whole point of vets is that they exchange bodies for firepower. If you don't want the firepower, don't take the vets. If you take the vets, outfit them properly.

And you don't want to have your tanks sitting around with their thumbs up their backsides offing a few models here and there while you throw your vendettas to the wolves. If you want to do damage from range, take artillery so that you can help your air-cav charge. That, or keep your tanks as LRs (or LRDs) and keep them charging forward with the rest of your vehicles.

lol so change my list back to the way it was?

Please do not drop any special weapons of any of your units. Those 3 special weapons are what make vets so powerful.

I really don’t like the exterminator russ, the hydra does the same thing but a lot better for a lot less. And for the same points the battle cannon is a lot more dangerous.

And I agree with every one that said, drop some melta for more plasma. I think you will use it in this list.

It’s a very safe list with very few bells and whistles. But as it stands I think you will do well, just a little more min-maxing and you will have a very rough list.

What would you change?

To be honest I don’t like to put vets in my vendettas, I use my air craft as mobel gun platforms until all the light/medium armor on the table is wrecked or striped. Then I set them up to take/contest objectives. And as such I take a risk in my army builds and run 3 vendettas in any list >1500pts with an unequipped infantry platoon (PCSx1 and ISx2) just to sit in them to make them scoring units.

CCS+ plasma x 4 + chimera = 165

CCS+ melta x 3 + chimera = 145

Vet+ meltax 3 + chimera = 155

Vet+ meltax 3 + chimera = 155

Vet+ meltax 3 + chimera = 155

Vet+ meltax 3 + chimera = 155

PCS = 30

IS = 50

IS = 50

Vendetta = 130

Vendetta = 130

Vendetta = 130

LRBT = 150

LRBT = 150

I was trying to stay as close to your vet spam as I could, min max it out a bit, all though there are still some holes in this list, it will give you something to work off of. (I’ve actually run this list in a small local tournament, and tabled 2 of 3 games)

The biggest problems for this list is going to be Deep strike armies and those space marines sitting on the back of wolfs wielding thunder hammers / storm shields knee deep in a unit. (btw if any one has found a good way to get these guys off the table I would love to know) but as for the deep strike lists if you switch out the 2ed CCS for a lord INQ you shouldn’t need to worry about it.

I see what you are saying but I think I will just run the list how it is till I get a better idea of how IG works.

oh and thats fine by me. i think your list will do well im most situations

sickening wrote:lol so change my list back to the way it was?

Yeah, basically.

And watering down your mech-vet list with a worthless infantry platoon isn't a good idea either.

Thanks a lot guy, think I am ready to start dropping money on my list.

For me the problem with the PCS w/ PIS is i like to add a chimera for the PCS to drive around and flame w/ 4 flamers.
now it turns into spending more points than you have left. i like my Vendettas empty and my Chimeras full of vets.
and i highly second the suggestion for adding a Hydra or 2.