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I seen this video and I think that this is BS..

I think 1) its chessy & 2) unsporting & 3) unfluffy. But is it RAW?

I would say it is not since you can not flame friendly units, including the unit that is doing the flaming.

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I didn't think it was great but I think its a stretch, xxBlazinGhostxx's view is what I would be thinking myself

Ok I got to about 7 seconds before I rage quit. Can someone please make a diagram to show what is happening so I can give a 110% definitive RaW answer please?

This guy is an idiot. A model is hit when part of it's base is under the template. The model firing the flamer is not normally hit because the flame template is set touching the edge of your base not over it. When you set it to the back of your base and have it the other way you are now going over your base and hitting a friendly unit.

"Because I'm always right."
I really hope this guy's joking.

Gwar! wrote:Ok I got to about 7 seconds before I rage quit. Can someone please make a diagram to show what is happening so I can give a 110% definitive RaW answer please?

here you go where pink is the terminator, blue necrons, green flamer.



Basically you can't hit all 3 by doing things the normal way, so shoot from the back?

Personally just PLAY YOUR MOVES BETTER !

Still with people spouting this it worries me... I sense a disturbance in the astrominicon..

The guy in the video is full of it. No, you do not place the tip of the template against the back edge of the base of the firing model and shoot across the firing model so as to shorten the template and bring the wide end of he template closer to the fring model.

ZoomDakkaDakka wrote:"Because I'm always right."
I really hope this guy's joking.

Me too. Everyone knows only Gwar! is always right!
From what I understand, he is trying to say this:

is legal.

And if he is, What the FETH is he smoking and where can I buy 7 lifetimes worth?

Edit: Just saw Phototoxin's post. Yes, this guy is clearly high on something. That is in no way, shape or form legal, and I have a sneaking suspicion it hasn't been since 40k was first invented.

IIRC G (can I call you G Gwar?) you used to have to place it from the weapon... this was when people could be set on fire and then you had your squad-mate forgo shooting to give you a +1 on the 'put it out' chart.

Phototoxin wrote:IIRC G (can I call you G Gwar?) you used to have to place it from the weapon... this was when people could be set on fire and then you had your squad-mate forgo shooting to give you a +1 on the 'put it out' chart.

No, you must call me Super Kami Guru Gwar the Fifteenth, Ruler of the Galaxverse.

Or whatever, I don't care.

Iirc that the only 40k-mythos game that GW have let you flame your own doods is Spess Hulk with the Blud Angles Heavy Flamer, but I am not 100% on that.

Bloody Flames fort he Blood Go.. er... Sangunor?

Right at least we're all agreed the guys a foolie. A pity he's a fellow Irishman... no wonder I emigrated and married and English Protestant...

Yeah, it's been a while since I've played space hulk but IIRC the flamer hits a room or hall and if your own guys are there it's too bad for them.

He tries that kind of crap all the time, and personally I think that Beasts of War should stop having him on because he is giving bad players more bad ideas. I remember I saw him once arguing that if you equip a Space Marine with a Storm Bolter and a Lightning Claw, that the Lightning claw allows you to reroll wounds you made with the Storm Bolter. That is a guy that I don't want to play against because he is going to suck all of the fun out of the game.

This is why I don't watch anything labeled Beasts of War. Or any 40k games on Youtube for that matter. Too many people try and pull stupid crap to win games enough without the help of Youtube.

On a side note, it's still legal to place the template on the side of the base as long as it's not going over the base itself right?

Xca|iber wrote:On a side note, it's still legal to place the template on the side of the base as long as it's not going over the base itself right?

Yes.

lol watched the video for giggles, that guy is slowed. That is so blaintedly illegal you'd have to be a moron to try it. Kinda forgot to mention you can't place the template over friendly models.... guess what that is doing?

Clearly all his models are emo!

He already flamed himself to save everyone else the trouble!

Get it??

Cos he puthe the flamer over himeslf..

yeah, you get it

On a side note, arent weapons supposed to be measured from the barrel? or is that for something else

He obviously is unable to live with his heretic ways; so the only logical conclusion is to burn himself and as many other heretics as possible.

i agree its writtend down whitout touching friebndly units thats apeshitteas he would sy onestly if someone tha in playing with come with that instantly pick up my thinbg and leave... or use a REALflamer (i think a noddified lighter might do the job to burn his friggin HQ and the only one whos allways right beside gwar is my lighter

del'Vhar wrote:He already flamed himself to save everyone else the trouble!

Get it??

Cos he puthe the flamer over himeslf..

yeah, you get it

On a side note, arent weapons supposed to be measured from the barrel? or is that for something else

I'm not sure if i should laugh or not...
But...
Non-vehicle models = Measure range from base, Los from eyes (sorry Mr Wraithlord)
Vehicles = Measure range and Los from weapons

i think... its 4am so im not sure anymore

Wait, as much as this sounds like bs, this dude makes a completely valid point.

It must be touching the base. Technically that means the model always counts as burning its self (and now get ready for the flinch-worthy stuff up of the rules) and I was under the impression that you ignore your own unit for all intents and purposes of shooting?

Feel free to set me on fire...from behind yourself...

Jaon wrote:Wait, as much as this sounds like bs, this dude makes a completely valid point.

It must be touching the base. Technically that means the model always counts as burning its self (and now get ready for the flinch-worthy stuff up of the rules) and I was under the impression that you ignore your own unit for all intents and purposes of shooting?

Feel free to set me on fire...from behind yourself...

You can touch the template to the edge of a model's base and not have it be 'partially under the template' quite easily.

Jaon wrote:Wait, as much as this sounds like bs, this dude makes a completely valid point.

It must be touching the base. Technically that means the model always counts as burning its self (and now get ready for the flinch-worthy stuff up of the rules) and I was under the impression that you ignore your own unit for all intents and purposes of shooting?

Feel free to set me on fire...from behind yourself...

Incorrect. Touching is not the same as under. Models Touching the template are not hit, only models fully or partially under the template are hit. Different words for a reason.

Well, now that Ive been corrected, time to be a total ass

In the video, the termie is in fact on top of the template..so..

(Thank you Gwar for clearing that up )

Gwar! wrote:

Jaon wrote:Wait, as much as this sounds like bs, this dude makes a completely valid point.

It must be touching the base. Technically that means the model always counts as burning its self (and now get ready for the flinch-worthy stuff up of the rules) and I was under the impression that you ignore your own unit for all intents and purposes of shooting?

Feel free to set me on fire...from behind yourself...

Incorrect. Touching is not the same as under. Models Touching the template are not hit, only models fully or partially under the template are hit. Different words for a reason.

But Gwar!, doesn't physics tell us that two things can never actually touch because of the electromagnetic force? How would this translate into RAW?

I agree with the video being horribly wrong though. Seems like everything people come up with these days as "tactics" is just really really desperate shenanigans that either butcher the rules or aren't effective. I'll stick with my strategy, named "the point railguns at it strategem".

ssREV wrote:But Gwar!, doesn't physics tell us that two things can never actually touch because of the electromagnetic force? How would this translate into RAW?

RaW is written in Colloquial English, not Quantum Physics English. While the atoms will not physically (no pun intended) touch due to the nature of Electrons and their charge repelling the atoms apart (with enough energy one can make them "touch", which is what happens in a chemical reaction), in a colloquial sense, touching would be placing the template in a way so that none of the base is UNDER the template but rather is touching the edge of the template and nothing more.