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Vampire Lord-365
Hatred, Red Fury, Blood Drinker, Flayed Haubrek, Nightmare

Vampire-145
Avatar, Tomb Blade

Vampire-120
Avatar

Wight King-145
BSB, Barrows

35- Skeletons-300
FC

35- Skeletons-300
FC

Corpse Cart-100
Loadstone

5-dire wolves-40

5-dire wolves-40

20 Grave Guard-280
FC

8-black knights-264
Barding, FC

4 Wraiths-225
Banshee

3 Wraiths-175
Banshee

Edited from suggestions

Dire wolves need to be split up into 3 units. they are NOT expected to slug it out. Drop the spears on the skeletons, wont do too much or change them for Ghouls (or even drop a unit!). I think you need much more magic, maybe convert the one with the cursed book (since cursed book is pretty much just an auto fail fear). I wouldnt recommend using the dreken banner. a bit too much. Unless you had a large unit of graveguard

Swapping one unit of skels for ghouls is Ok. You can't just drop one altogether and still have 25% min core though. You can drop them down to 32 each and free up 130 points or so for something else.

The issue I see is you're going to rely a lot on your characters and black knights to win combat for you with the wraiths pitching in a little. The skeletons, wolves, and corpse cart aren't going to do much killing.

If you have Grave Guard models they're really the star infantry unit of VC.

Changed the list hope it does a bit better then the last.

I like the updated list a lot better. I've never used two groups of wraiths. Minimun sized wraiths will sometimes disappoint. You will have to be careful they don't get mixed up against the wrong units and die to unstable crumbling.

I think they will try warmachine hunting at first because if my opponent wants to save his machines he will have to adjust a magic unit to them or waste spells on them, either will do me fine possible giving my knights a better chance of getting in. Which will in turn hopefully give everything else a chance. That or I can make them one big unit?

Yes they can be one big unit. Wraiths are unit size 3-10

I know they can be to 10 I was asking if it was a good idea lol.