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here is a list i was thinking of, and want to make it 2k. almost everything i mention is what i already have, the rest is going to be converted from models coming in the mail. i am looking for ideas of what to get next, or to switch up the weapons i do have, thou i would like to use the few models with special weapons. I will put a (H) next to what I have already.

here it is

Reclusiarch

Libbie dred with magna grapple (H)

2 Sanguinary Priests
one PF (H)
one LC (H)

8 Death Company, four with power weapons

10 Assault marines, meltagun, Thunderhammer/plasma pistol (H)

three stormraven gunships
lascannons

total is 1525

mostly i'm wondering what is the best HQ squad to use with a stormraven list, and how to best use Sang. Priests. I know the PF, LC, and TH may not be the best weapon layout for the two priests and the assault squad serg. but i want to use those models. if there is a better place to put those weapons let me know so i can rearrange it. I also have another model with a stormshield but unsure where to put him.

thanks for the feedback!

If youre taking stormravens youll generally want to have dudes to put in all of them. Something with meltas works fairly well, as you can jump out, melta a tank, and then have your blood talon furioso buddy drop off the raven and charge the guys who fell out.

yea i want to have them all full, and that is why it isn't a 2k list yet, i want to fill up the rest of the points with marines to fill up the ravens. what units would be best, layouts etc.

blood talon furioso seem awesome, i want to make one. does the dred set come with two close combat arms?

The normal dread set doesnt, but its pretty easy to make, just cut some sort of blade shapes and stick them on his arms. Not too pretty, but it works I'm sure there are more detailed tutorials on it, search around, googling it will probably find you something.

What I've been thinking of is 5 man assault squads with jumppacks removed with a meltagun+infernus pistol on the sargeant, with a blood talon furioso in the back. Something like:

5 assault marines, jumppacks removed, meltagun, infernus pistol 125
Razorback, lasplas (TL plasmagun+lascannon) 70-35(removed jumppacks)= 35

Furioso dreadnought, blood talons 125

Stormraven gunship, TL MM, TL plasma cannon 200

5 scouts 75

= 560

Take more than one of these "strike forces" depending on points limit.

Assault marines and dread go in the stormraven, scouts go in the empty razorback. This way you have a scoring fast skimmer (stormraven) and a fast scoring tank that sits in backfield and shoots stuff. Stormraven can kill termies and the like with its plasmacannon, or kill tanks with a TL MM. Assault marines jump out, melta stuff, and, if they survive any retaliatory fire, jump back in and zoom away. The dread can charge whatever comes out of the transport the assault marines killed. Just an idea of mine, dont take it too literally, just playing with ideas here.

Good luck with the list =)

i like that idea. at that point thou, why not have the scouts with the assault marines, or have two small squads in the raven, so when they land they can attack various units, or have one to help out the dred while the other jumps back into the raven to roam elsewhere?

Only a single squad can embark on a vehicle at a time =( which seems kind of strange to me, if theres space in the vehicle why cant more guys come in just cause their not in the same squad?

really? i was unaware of that rule, that is really odd.

A stormraven that that isnt hauling around a dread is just a waste IMO


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Jabbdo wrote:Only a single squad can embark on a vehicle at a time =( which seems kind of strange to me, if theres space in the vehicle why cant more guys come in just cause their not in the same squad?

This is not true, the Stormraven can carry a squad of up to 12 and a Dreadnought at the same time.

I was referring to having two squads of for example 6 assault marines in the stormraven, I know it can carry the dread too.

And yeah I agree, if the stormraven isnt carrying a dread its a bit of a waste of its potential, as other units can do whatever else the stormraven can do, but no other unit can carry a dread.

Stormravens cry without dreads, I've seen it. Seriously though if they arent carrying a full 10 man squad and a dread, its a serious waste of potential.

i plan to have them all with a dred and a squad of some sorts. what would you recommend be inside them?

This is what I run in my 'Ravens when I run them. I run 2, I think 3 is to much, especially at your point level, it doesn't leave you with much to work with.

1x Furioso Dreadnought, Librarian. Inside should be assault squad with jump packs, maybe with a Sanguinary Priest to add a little punch.

The librarian Dread is their to provide Shield of Sanguinius, which gives the 'Raven, and everything within 5" of its hull, a 5+ cover save. This is vital. You must avoid the temptation to sink a bunch of points into the squad inside the 'Raven. The key to the 'Ravens being used correctly and to the most advantage is the concept of target priority.

Your opponents are going to have to address the 'Ravens. They will be the top target for the enemies tanks and anti-tank units. They will most likely be blown up, but the 5+ cover save from the 'Nought inside greatly increases their survivability. WHEN it gets blown up, the 'Nought swaps to a Blood Lance battery and the Assault Squads goes in search of something to Assault. Meanwhile the rest of your army has gotten into their lines and disrupted everything else going on.

This doesn't mean you can't take full advantage of the 'Ravens strengths and capabilities, but don't be dazzled by what its capable of without taking into account your foe's reaction to it. Being able to semi-reliably predict your opponents actions greatly increases the chances of you gaining a tactical victory, and is another benefit to taking and using the Storm Raven.

The 'Ravens are there to keep the attention of your opponent while the rest of your army runs amok.

Amok Amok Amok!

thanks a ton, what would you say i use with the ravens? for let say ground forces. i woudl rather not use razorbacks or rhinos, but i could go with a mech BA list on the ground, or maybe a walking list? with just tac squads and assault squds trudging it on the ground.

so digital_ spidey, i would assume you would say it is bad to place a deathstar unit in a raven?

Putting a deathstar unit in your 'Raven means you will most likely have to sacrifice it in order to get them where you want them. Which may be fine, AFTER you have unloaded all your Blood Strike's. You run the risk of your 'Ravens getting blown up on your side of the board with their occupants still inside. As long as you have jump troops inside then its not so bad, 12" move makes up for alot.

It's a case of too many eggs in one basket. You make Target priority easier for them, which is always fail.

Sageheart wrote:i plan to have them all with a dred and a squad of some sorts. what would you recommend be inside them?

I would suggest Death Company in one with a Reclusiarch. In the others I would put Assault Squads with a Sanguinary Priest, if there is room in the list I would try to fit another Chaplain either HQ or Elite for one of those assault squads but it isn't necessary. Really the only viable options I see for units to put in the Stormraven are Death Company, Assault Marines, or Assault terminators. 3 LC 2TH/SS and a Sanguinary Priest in terminator armor in one of the Ravens wouldn't be bad either.


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IMHO with three Ravens I think putting a deathstar in one of them lessens the risk, but YMMV.

i def am going to make a Assault termie squad so could put that in one with assault marines/DC in the others.

Sageheart wrote:i def am going to make a Assault termie squad so could put that in one with assault marines/DC in the others.

Sounds like a good idea to me!

Sageheart wrote:8 Death Company, four with power weapons

Moving away from ravens for a moment... death company should have at least one fist, If you end up getting sucked into rage-bait and staring at a dread you won't be too pleased. A fist can sort out pesky problems like this leaving you to butcher infantry.

Sageheart wrote:here is a list i was thinking of, and want to make it 2k. almost everything i mention is what i already have, the rest is going to be converted from models coming in the mail. i am looking for ideas of what to get next, or to switch up the weapons i do have, thou i would like to use the few models with special weapons. I will put a (H) next to what I have already.

here it is

Reclusiarch

Libbie dred with magna grapple (H)

2 Sanguinary Priests
one PF (H)
one LC (H)

8 Death Company, four with power weapons

10 Assault marines, meltagun, Thunderhammer/plasma pistol (H)

three stormraven gunships
lascannons

total is 1525

mostly i'm wondering what is the best HQ squad to use with a stormraven list, and how to best use Sang. Priests. I know the PF, LC, and TH may not be the best weapon layout for the two priests and the assault squad serg. but i want to use those models. if there is a better place to put those weapons let me know so i can rearrange it. I also have another model with a stormshield but unsure where to put him.

thanks for the feedback!

I'd run 3 stormravens filled with a 10 man assault squad each (no jump packs) (meltas and powerfist in each)
Id also put a priest in each squad for the most part stock.

What i would drop from your list is the death company. Drop the thunterhammer/ plasma pistol in the assault squad ( as mentioned before all you need is meltas and a powerfist in each squad).

Libby dread and your HQ choice is really up to you. You could drop the libby and take 2 furioso dreads with blood talons and mount them in the stormravens too. In which case you may have to take a cheaper HQ choice for points.

i like the dreds and want to keep them, but what you say makes sense. i'll def try that.

If I was going to play 3 stormravens, I would probably do something like this:

Reclusiarch

2x Sanguinary Priest
Furioso Librarian: Shield of Sanguinius, Might of Heroes
Furioso Dreadnought: Extra Armor, Blood Talons

5x Death Company: 4x Power Weapons, 1x Power fist
Death Company Dreadnought: Blood Talons
10x Assault Squad: 2x Melta, 1x Infernus Pistol, 1x Powerfist
10x Assault Squad: 2x Melta, 1x Infurnus Pistol, 1x Powerfist

Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor
Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor
Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor

you're really all in on the idea that your opponent will not destroy 3 AV12 vehicles in one turn though... and most armies can do just that. If you get to go first you can alpha strike hard with all your guns (12 missiles, 3x TL Las, 3x Multimelta) or get moving so you close with the enemy and drop your troops off. Going second feels like essentially an auto-loss though.

I would play 2 Stormravens, and make sure that you have a solid core of the army that can function without the Ravens being there. Some games the Ravens will excel and crush everything, but other games they'll die super fast and not help at all. They're very fragile.

I've done lots of testing with Stormravens and played a lot of lsits running 1-3 of them and at this point I feel like if I'm going to take any at all, I'm taking 2 of them. Otherwise, they're best left at home. They're simply too many points to have 3 of, and too easy to deal with to have just 1.

Caffran9 wrote:If I was going to play 3 stormravens, I would probably do something like this:

Reclusiarch

2x Sanguinary Priest
Furioso Librarian: Shield of Sanguinius, Might of Heroes
Furioso Dreadnought: Extra Armor, Blood Talons

5x Death Company: 4x Power Weapons, 1x Power fist
Death Company Dreadnought: Blood Talons
10x Assault Squad: 2x Melta, 1x Infernus Pistol, 1x Powerfist
10x Assault Squad: 2x Melta, 1x Infurnus Pistol, 1x Powerfist

Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor
Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor
Stormraven: TL Multimelta, TL Lascannon, Extra Armor

you're really all in on the idea that your opponent will not destroy 3 AV12 vehicles in one turn though... and most armies can do just that. If you get to go first you can alpha strike hard with all your guns (12 missiles, 3x TL Las, 3x Multimelta) or get moving so you close with the enemy and drop your troops off. Going second feels like essentially an auto-loss though.

I would play 2 Stormravens, and make sure that you have a solid core of the army that can function without the Ravens being there. Some games the Ravens will excel and crush everything, but other games they'll die super fast and not help at all. They're very fragile.

I've done lots of testing with Stormravens and played a lot of lsits running 1-3 of them and at this point I feel like if I'm going to take any at all, I'm taking 2 of them. Otherwise, they're best left at home. They're simply too many points to have 3 of, and too easy to deal with to have just 1.

Ya thats the only problem i see with the 3 stormraven list the lack of other targets.

i made a new list for 2k tell me what you thinkk. i don't know how much i like this list, so feedback would be nice. the TH and LC are there cause i have the models for it and want to use those models.

Captain with TH and PP

Terminator Assault Squad- 3 LC, 2 TH/SS
Furioso Dred- libbie
2 Sanguary priests, one with termie armor

10 Assault marines, no jetpacks, meltagun, handflamer, LC
5 Assault Marines, no jetbacks, plasma pistol, PF, Razorback with Assault Cannon
5 Scouts, PF
6 DC, 1 plasma pistol, 2 power weapons
DC Dred Manga Grapple, Blood talons

3 Stormravens, each with lascannons, multimeltas

total: 1996

what do you think?
i'm thinking of taking out the razorback assault marines and adding two more scout squads to have more scoring units. i wanted to use LSS but can't in BA. i don't really want DC, but want a second dred and dunno how else to fit it in without taking out a Stormraven which i don't think would be the best idea, maybe it would?


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@ Caffran9: i like your list but would like some Termies in the army

This list seems like you're trying to do too much. Take the 3 Ravens as a base and build from there. Definitely take the Assault Terminators and a full assault squad for inside the ravens, the DC take up a lot of points. Consider taking some outflanking Baals to give your opponent other potential targets to worry about. I like the 3 Raven idea but the last incarnation of this list seems to suffer from the same schizophrenia that the whole BA codex suffers from. Keep it Simple, don't try and take everything or do everything.

How about this.

Reclusiarch

Assault Term 3LC 2TH
Furioso Dread x2

Assault Squadx2 w/ 2x MG PF
Death Company Dread

Stormravenx3 w/ MMx2 LCx2 EA

Baal Predator x2

the feel no pain from the SP would be nice.

and i cant have that DC dred in your list without DC units. which is the only reason why i had DC in the first place. thou i agree that maybe simplifying my list would do some good.

Oops, I forgot about the DC. Sorry about that, ya you get the general idea of simplification from where I was going. You could drop the DC dread and get a few cheap SPs for FNP and FC though.

i would need to drop two dreds just to get an elities slot for them. grumbles.


but yea i do get where you are going. i just am having trouble finding a way to simplify when i am stuck for elite and heavy slots.