Firing Direct with a Basilisk

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**EmilCrane**

This is probably pretty simple but I want to know:

If I fire direct with a Basilisk does the minimum range still apply?

**Jihadnik**

Correct, no minimum range when you direct fire!

**Luna Havoc**

IIRC it can scatter back towards you and go under the minmum but yes it does. can anyone help me confirm?

**Jihadnik**

No, I'm pretty sure thats wrong. If you fire it indirectly then the minimum range applies, although it can scatter inside of that range. But if you fire direct then there is no minimum range applied, it basically becomes a giant cannon. I don't have codex in front of me, but this was part of a huge thread here a few months ago, that's why I am pretty sure. Check with Gwar though...if you dare...

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Minimum range does not apply when firing directly.

**Luna Havoc**

Lol Yes let us summon Gwar for ultimate ruling.
GWAR! you are need on aisle 3

**Jihadnik**

Oh no, its like when you say Bloody Mary in the mirror three times...

Biggy Smalls, Biggy Smalls, Biggy Sma...

Oh, I can't do it!

**Luna Havoc**

Well i found the ruling in the rulebook and you are correct, no min when firing direct. i stand corrected

**Jihadnik**

It's too late now, look down and see that puddle trembling, he's coming!

**EmilCrane**

Luna Havoc wrote:Well i found the ruling in the rulebook and you are correct, no min when firing direct. i stand corrected

Where is it in the rulebook? I couldn't find and another guard player at my club doesn't believe me.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Jihadnik wrote:It's too late now, look down and see that puddle trembling, he's coming!

F***!

On a side note: you can choose to fire indirectly even if you have LOS but you also get to subtract your BS from the scatter roll.

**EmilCrane**

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:
Jihadnik wrote:It's too late now, look down and see that puddle trembling, he's coming!

F***!

On a side note: you can choose to fire indirectly even if you have LOS but you also get to subtract your BS from the scatter roll.

Is there an advantage to doing that?

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Pg. 58 Vehicles Shooting section, sub-section Ordnance Barrage.

"vehicles carrying ordnance barrage weapons can choose to fire them either directly or as a barrage- declare before you fire."

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EmilCrane wrote:
xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:
Jihadnik wrote:It's too late now, look down and see that puddle trembling, he's coming!

F***!

On a side note: you can choose to fire indirectly even if you have LOS but you also get to subtract your BS from the scatter roll.

Is there an advantage to doing that?

You get the usual benefits of barrage (i.e. determine cover from the blast marker, pinning) with the accuracy of direct fire.

**Luna Havoc**

and an additional -1 to the LD test, only downside is the min range.

**EmilCrane**

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Pg. 58 Vehicles Shooting section, sub-section Ordnance Barrage.

"vehicles carrying ordnance barrage weapons can choose to fire them either directly or as a barrage- declare before you fire."

Thanks, I'll be able to actually point this out now.

**Luna Havoc**

Thats what we are here for, well that and to kill, maim , burn and oh wait thats khorne coming out.
have fun making little body parts fly

**Gwar!**

FOOLISH MORTALS! NOW BEGINS TWO MILLION YEARS OF RAWNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, Page 58, Ordnance Barrage Weapons, Paragraph 2.

**nosferatu1001**

If its RAW you should use more lube....

I'll get my coat.

**Jaon**

Im going to use more lube.

To make this post worth while, I will top this thread off by saying you may fire within minimum range if firing direct.

**mrfantastical**

When I first started playing with Ordnance Barrage weapons I created a cheat sheet to help with the difference between both types of firing (Ordnance / Ordnance Barrage). Each bullet point, has the corresponding page number at the end.

Ordnance
*May roll 2D6 and choose highest die for armour penetration (RB: 60)
*Against vehicles may put blast marker hole over any part of hull (RB: 60)
*May not fire any other weapon (RB: 58)
*may subtract BS from scatter roll if has LOS to model being fired upon (RB: 58)

*May move and fire (BRB: 58
*No Minimum Range (BRB: 58)
*May choose elevation (RB: 84)

*Multiple Blasts by a squadron scatter as normal (RB: 30)

Ordnance Barrage:
*May roll 2D6 and choose highest die for armour penetration (RB: 60)
*Against vehicles may put blast marker hole over any part of hull (RB: 60)
*May not fire any other weapon (RB: 58)
*may subtract BS from scatter roll if has LOS to model being fired upon (RB: 58)
*May also fire at at model even if there is no LOS, but may not subract BS (RB: 58)
*Must remain stationary to fire (RB: 58)
*must follow minimum range rules for weapon (RB: 58)
*Must strike the highest elevation that is under the hole in the centre of the marker (RB: 85)
*Non-vehicle unit(s) that are hit must immediately take a leadership test at a -1 modifier if it suffers an unsaved wound (RB: 58)
*Cover saves come from center of blast, not direction of vehicle (RB: 58)
*Multiple Blasts by a squadron scatter using the Multiple Barrage rule (RB: 32)

Hope this helps..

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