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Thank you to all who helped me develop my list.
This list will be infantry based with every squad able to hear the sound of a yelling officer's voice. I think it is good because with the orders it unlocks the true potential of my troops.
Comments will be gladly accepted

Cadian 314th 1750 PT. ARMY LIST No.1

HQ (195 pts)

Command Squad (195 pts)
Lord Castellen Creed (have)
Veteran (w/ regimental standard)(have)
Veteran (w/ medikit)(have)
Veteran (w/sniper rifle)(have)
Officer of the Fleet
Astropath

ELITES (115 pts)

Guardsman Marbo 65
5 ratlings 50

TROOPS (970 pts)

Infantry Platoon (290 pts)

Command Squad 60
Junior Officer, meltabombs
Mortar
2x Guardsmen (with meltaguns)

Squad 1 (have)105 HAVE
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+ccw, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ flamer)
Guardsman (w/vox)
Commissar (with power weapon, bolt pistol)(need)

Squad 2 (have)60 HAVE
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+CCW, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ grenade launcher)
Guardsman (w/vox)

Special Weapon Squad 65
3x Guardsman (w/ meltagun)


Infantry Platoon (325 pts)
Command Squad 95
cHENKOV, meltabombs
2x Guardsmen (with LP+CCW)
2x Guardsmen (with flamers)

Squad 1 105 HAVE
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+CCW, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ flamer)
Guardsman (w/vox)
Commissar (with power weapon, bolt pistol)(need)

Squad 2 60
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+CCW, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ grenade launcher)
Guardsman (w/vox)

Special Weapon Squad 65
3x Guardsman (w/ meltagun)


Infantry Platoon (360 pts)
Command Squad 130
(Al'Rahem)
Guardsman (with LP+CCW)
3x Guardsmen (with meltagun)

Squad 1 105
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+CCW, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ flamer)
Guardsman (w/vox)
Commissar (with power weapon, bolt pistol)

Squad 2 60
7 guardsmen, Sergeant with LP+CCW, meltabombs
Guardsman (w/ grenade launcher)
Guardsman (w/vox)

Special Weapon Squad 65
3x Guardsman (w/ meltagun)


HEAVY SUPPORT (445 pts)

Basilisk (125 pts)
(w/ Hull Heavy bolter)

Manticore (160 pts)
(w/ Hull Heavy bolter)

Manticore (160 pts)
(w/ Hull Heavy bolter)

TOTAL: 1750 pts

Too much bling and Special characters for my tastes. Wasting melta guns on tiny SWS and command squads without chimeras. Officer of the fleet can be a blessing and a curse. I rather not use it at all. Heavy support is ok I suppose. I would like something though that can reliably kill tanks from far range like vendettas

Your CCS is actually 250pts, not 195. I think you forgot to count the Astro and Officer of the Fleet.

Chenkov can't take meltabombs. Special Characters and Upgrade Characters can only take the wargear they are bought with unless specified (like Njal in SW codex can take Terminator Armor) That squad should be 90pts.

The commissar squad with PW is 110 points, not 105. You probably forgot to add the meltabombs here. Likewise the Grenade Launcher/Vox group is 65 points with meltabomb sergeant. This means you have 30 points undercosted your 6 infantry squads in total.

When you scrap 80 points somewhere and make the army list legal I'll give you some advice on the list, but in general I'd say Kenshin is correct. You have 3 upgrade characters in the list but you're slacking on squads like giving only 2 special weapons when they can have 3-4. I like the artillery heavy portions. Manticores are fun for everyone (except your enemy). I think basilisks are .. meh, I would probably run 2 LRBTs and a Manti.

You really need some heavy weapons in there and I would remove one artillery for Vendetta or a tank. Those Melta squads are nasty but theyll get targeted first ( if possible and killed). Yea too many special characters. Pick one or two. Personally I like Harker. You need more troops if your going to protect the artillery. I personally separate out the heavy weapons from the regular squads. Cant movem and shoot so evey time you move you waste shots.Costs a little more.

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:You really need some heavy weapons in there and I would remove one artillery for Vendetta or a tank. Those Melta squads are nasty but theyll get targeted first ( if possible and killed). Yea too many special characters. Pick one or two.

1.) You don't need heavy weapons. Especially not with al'rahem.

2.) I would recommend against watering down either your infantry or your artillery just to take a single tank or a single flyer.

3.) SWSs are fragile, which is why you've brought a lot of them. Oddly enough, I've played with them a lot and have rarely seen them targeted.

4.) special characters? You should have zero. Perhaps with al'rahem. All the others aren't contributing in a meaningful way to your list.

Ailaros wrote:

4.) special characters? You should have zero. Perhaps with al'rahem. All the others aren't contributing in a meaningful way to your list.

I'd leave Creed, at least. There's at least the option to form a combined squad with one of those infantry platoons and issue For the Honor of Cadia or even FRFSRF depending on the situation. I'd drop Chenkov and use the infantry platoon for a home objective or counter assault unit, (you don't have any conscripts anyway, so bleh.) and keep Al'rahem to try and sweep up on the other side of the board.

Personally, I'd drop the SWS for a vet squad with melta, but that's because I absolutely hatehatehate missing with meltagun shots, (even bring it down fails me more often than not)

were furious charge free, then sure, I could see taking creed. As it is, you have to spend 90 points to give ONE squad S4 per turn. How is this worth it?

The only time I can see creed is if you want to outflank something HUGE (like a demolisher squad or something). Otherwise, you're better off just buying another PIS for that power blob (or whatever).

Ailaros wrote:
4.) special characters? You should have zero. Perhaps with al'rahem. All the others aren't contributing in a meaningful way to your list.

The idea is every squad gets an order...Is that ok? Except maybe Chenkov because he doesn't do any offensive orders. scrapping Chenkov.

You should combine another squad with you commissar squad to take full advantage of his abilities.