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Basically, I've got an old 5th Edition army and am adding the IoB guys to it in the vain hope of making up a proper army for a game tomorrow.


I'm not really interested in making a fully competitive list or anything, in saying that though, I don't want to make a blindingly stupid list either!


High Elf Prince Lance, Dragon Armour, barded steed

High Elf Noble Standard, Heavy Armour
High Elf Noble Great Weapon, Dragon Armour
Mage High Level 2
Mage Life Level 2

31 Spearmen Banner, Musician, Champion
27 Seaguard Banner, Musician, Champion

6 Shadow Warriors (Are actually Marauder Elven Raiders, they're that old!)
19 Swordmasters Banner, Musician, Champion
5 Silver Helms Shields. Champion
5 Ellyrian Reavers bows, spears


There's The Battle Standard inside the Spearmen unit, a mage with the Seaguard, the Noble with the Swordmasters and my General with the Silver Helms (I know Dragon Princes are better, but old models!).


I'm considering dropping the Shadow Warriors for assorted magic items in my army (I can fit about 20 points worth on my heroes and whatever on my lord). Another option is I've got a total of 27 Sword Masters (inc 2 command groups), so I could use them as well, or instead of things. Sadly I don't have any Phoenix Guard or White Lions, but I've got plenty more spearmen, seaguard and archers, 4(!) Bolt Throwers and 2 unassembled chariots.

The General Plan for the army is


^________________^________________^___________^_______________^_______^
Silver Helms ---- Seaguard ----- Spearmen ----- Swordmasters + Shadow Warriors ------ Reavers

It doesn't seem too bad a plan I think.


Any thoughts or suggestions for improvements?

Alright, a complete rework of my army after I got utterly hammered with it - organ gun managed to take out my General and his Dragon Princes in one shot. Admittedly, he rolled well, and I (re)rolled and horribly.


The good news is, it's at least developing a theme now by including a single magic weapon with an awesome name.


High Elf Prince with The White Sword (+2str, killing blow), Armour of Caledor (2+ save), Guardian Phoenix (5+ ward save), Talisman of Loec (reroll... everything for 1 combat, then automatically loses a wound)

High Elf Noble - Dragon Armour, shield, Battle Standard
Mage - RandomspellloreIhaventpickedyet, Silver Wand (+1 spell), level 2
Mage - High Magic, level 2

31 Spearmen - Banner, Musician, champion
27 Seaguard - Banner, Musician, champion

14 Swordmasters - Banner, Musician, Champion
14 Swordmasters - Banner, Musician, Champion
Lion Chariot

Great Eagle


--------- Comes to 1998 points.

I can switch out the Lion Chariot for 6 Ellyrian Reavers and some equipment for my BSB, like a ward save or the Talisman of Light (makes him + whole unit have magical attacks) or some other light tweaking (maybe the Razor Standard somewhere - Gives attacks armour piercing).

I may suggest isntead of 2 lvl 2's, you should take 1 lvl 4. Makes a big difference at 2k. I may want to drop sea guard all together and take 2 units of archers. May want white lions than swordsmen, help against shooting.

Why would you drop seaguard for archers?

sea guard are 1 pt more and have armour,spears,shields,bows,all the buffs of both archers and spearmen..

it just doesnt make sence for you to drop sea guard for archers ever. -.-

i like the 2 wizard setup but i agree you could get a lvl 4 instead but ofcourse that means you probably cant take that beefy lord (i dont know what points he is) but by all that magic stuff he looks good!

if you have a plan in mind theres always that magic item for your level 2 mage that allows you to just choose your spells instead of rolling for them (if i remember correctly)

who is rolling in with the spearmen? and what formation do you have your units in?

I'm not entirely convinced that changing pretty much every single thing in my army aside from some spearmen and an eagle was particularly the advice I was hoping for, Kenshin....

Basically, the lord comes in at 250, 150 basic plus 100 points of magic items. The interesting thing is, the magic items themselves don't come to being that pricey when you factor in the cost of buying the 'mundane' equivalents (eg The White Sword is 28 points effectively 2 guys, more expensive than a great sword).

My general plan is to be fairly flexible with my hero deployments, but most of the time I'd imagine it be general in one of the core units, BSB in the other.

I plan on deploying my spearmen in ranks of 8 by 4, beside the Seaguard in 7 by 4, then each of them having a flanker unit of Swordmasters in 7 by 2 to maximise my numbers of attacks. Then, the Eagle and chariot on the 2 far flanks ready to do something potentially sneaky.

and, depending on what spells I roll, the wizards are either in the swordmasters to provide some magicky shootiness, or lurking out of sight behind them to cast some augments.

Aside from that it's the classic, charge the shooty armies, magic (and shoot) the fighty armies.