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Hq
ccs - vox, regimental standard, hwt autocannon - chimera - 135pts

troops
platoon - totaling 305pts
------pcs - 4 flamers - chimera (extra armor)- 120pts
------IS - 3 squads merged - 3hwt autocannons, 1vox - 185 pts

vets - 3 meltas - chimera (extra armor) - 170pts
vets - 3 plasmas - chimera (extra armor) - 185pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts

fast
vendetta - 130pts
vendetta - 130pts
hellhound - multi melta, smoke, extra armor - 165pts

heavy
leman demo - extra armor, lascan - 185pts
leman demo - extra armor, lascan - 185pts
medusa - enclosed - 150pts

all chimeras will have a multi laser and a heavy flamer. the medusa will have a heavy flamer as well. my hq plans to sit back and give orders to the IS, while the pcs will be busy trying to flame mass infantry. am i counting correctly when saying i have 17 annihilation units?

You could do without the demolitions I think on the vets. kinda see the problem of having part air cav, part mech, and part infantry. maybe what you could do is switch the demo tanks into normal russes and bubble wrap with infantry (and give them a commissar+special weapons).

Vincent305 wrote:Hq
ccs - vox, regimental standard, hwt autocannon - chimera - 135pts

troops
platoon - totaling 305pts
------pcs - 4 flamers - chimera (extra armor)- 120pts
------IS - 3 squads merged - 3hwt autocannons, 1vox - 185 pts

vets - 3 meltas - chimera (extra armor) - 170pts
vets - 3 plasmas - chimera (extra armor) - 185pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts

fast
vendetta - 130pts
vendetta - 130pts
hellhound - multi melta, smoke, extra armor - 165pts

heavy
leman demo - extra armor, lascan - 185pts
leman demo - extra armor, lascan - 185pts
medusa - enclosed - 150pts

all chimeras will have a multi laser and a heavy flamer. the medusa will have a heavy flamer as well. my hq plans to sit back and give orders to the IS, while the pcs will be busy trying to flame mass infantry. am i counting correctly when saying i have 17 annihilation units?

You don't need the standard as your CCS is hanging back and not getting into assault.

You don't need lascannon no the Demos because blasting at infantry and maybe vehicles, lascannon is good for one role and hits 50.50 15 points is a bit for that.

Rest is ok.

mercer wrote:

You don't need the standard as your CCS is hanging back and not getting into assault.

You don't need lascannon no the Demos because blasting at infantry and maybe vehicles, lascannon is good for one role and hits 50.50 15 points is a bit for that.

Rest is ok.

i gave the hq the standard in order for the IS to reroll moral checks. it was cheaper than giving the IS a commy.

Vincent305 wrote:i gave the hq the standard in order for the IS to reroll moral checks. it was cheaper than giving the IS a commy.

Yeah, always take a Regimental Standard. I think Mercer was thinking of the (useless) Platoon Standard.

Depending on what you want your blob platoon to accomplish, and how often you plan to blob, you may want to get a Commissar anyway. "Stubborn" is really valuable if you're planning to tarpit; if you lose combat by 3 wounds the math is bad even with a re-roll. (The other side of this coin is that if you don't blob, the Commissar can be a liability; sometimes you want to lose combat immediately when charged so you can fire on the enemy during your turn.)

Most IG players don't bother with extra armor; it's a useful upgrade, but is usually not seen as being worth 15 points. If money is an issue it can help flesh your army out, but I think you're almost always better off buying an extra squad or Chimera.

Vincent305 wrote:i gave the hq the standard in order for the IS to reroll moral checks. it was cheaper than giving the IS a commy.

...but way worse.

More importantly, I doubt your troops will ever use the standard. Your blob is just sitting still. Your officer is zipping around to shoot special weapons and to support your vets. The odds of you staying within standard range of your foot infantry AND in special weapons range of your opponent isn't as great as you think it is. Plus, if all you wanted to take the CCS for was leadership, the same could be achieved with a lord commissar for cheaper.

...or a commissar upgrade for the blob. That way you're not pulled in two directions at once, likely often wasting points in your CCS.

Other than that, what mercer and kenshin said.

made a few adjustments. added lord comm and removed ccs, added an extra IS squad, bolters on vends, and went BT instead of demos. i really dont know which to take demos or BTs.

Hq
lord comm - 70pts

troops
platoon - totaling 375pts
------pcs - 4 flamers - chimera (extra armor)- 120pts
------IS - 4 squads merged - 4hwt autocannons, 3 grenade launchers - 255 pts

vets - 3 meltas - chimera (extra armor) - 170pts
vets - 3 plasmas - chimera (extra armor) - 185pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts
vets - 3 meltas, demos - will be placed in a vendetta - 130pts

fast
vendetta - heavy bolter sponsons - 140pts
vendetta - heavy bolter sponsons - 140pts
hellhound - multi melta, smoke, extra armor - 165pts

heavy
leman BT - extra armor, heavy bolter - 165pts
leman BT - extra armor, heavy bolter - 165pts
medusa - enclosed, extra armor- 165pts

I put extra armor on all the tanks and bought demolition doctrines on the air cav, becuase i dont really own any more stuff lol. my options to replace these things are hwt lascannons instead of autocannons, marbo, and leman sponsons. should i remove, lets say, 2 grenade launchers and go with leman demos instead of BTs?

I don't like this list very much.

Don't like the lord commisar as he is an IC and gets picked out and dead in combat.

best HQ imo is a CCS with 4 meltas and an astropath in a Chimera with ML+HF. meltas for busting tanks. Astropath gives you +1 to reserves in case you need to reserve your vendettas or whole army. You get to reroll what side your outflanking vendettas come out on also

Extra armor costs too much as you aren't delivering a uber assault unit getting stunned isn't the end of the world. Remove extra armor from all vehicles.

You should buy a commisar for the 4 merged squads to make them stubborn leadership 9 easier to pass orders and you stick around in close combat. consider las cannons if you will be giving them bring it down orders with your CCS. Power weapons on sargs and commisar are also a good consideration to do some damage in close combat.

I'd run a 3rd Vendetta instead of a hellhound but if you like it cool.

I prefer Manticores to Leman Russes but if you like them cool. Put a heavy flamer hull if you can. heavy bolter just is bad because it lets them stack battle cannon wounds if you shooting at marines. Heavy flamer is good for toasting annoying scouts that try and kill your vehicles and only have a 4+ save.

Are heavy bolter sponsons ever worth the extra 20 points on the pair of vendettas?

I didn't model them on mine because I've never seen a list use em since they're a weak anti-trooper gun that'll likely barely get fired.

Heavy Bolters on Vendettas are a bad idea. Waste of points and they are designed as an anti-infantry weapon, where your Vendettas will be picking out tanks. You can't shoot two things at once (unless you're a super heavy...), so remove them.

Lord Commissar is a terrible idea, just terrible. If you want your IS to stick around when they take casualties, give them a commissar and blob them. Take a CCS loaded with meltas or plasmas instead of the LC for extra killy power.

If you're going to merge your IS, then you need to give one squad a commissar to give them stubborn at ld9. Maybe give them some PWs to chop up the offending enemies. Just be wary that with a couple of unlucky rolls your entire squad can be swept or run off the board. That's why I prefer to run them seperately, so if one squad gets assaulted it dies horribly, then I can reposition and fire at the enemy unit.

Extra armour is not worth it, remove it all. Extra armour prevents you from being stunned, by an IG vehicle's most important asset is its shooting capability, so extra armour is pretty much worthless. Unless of course you're trying to flee from close combat, but if you're at that stage then something went horribly wrong and a bit of extra armour won't save you

I know you mentioned you put it on there because you don't have anything else, but consider this advice for when you do have the means and the money to purchase additional models!

NO heavy bolters on Vendettas; Vendettas are anti tank, heavy bolters are anti troop. They do not mesh.

All tanks should have heavy flamers. Same profile as heavy bolter but auto hits, much better.

mercer wrote:

All tanks should have heavy flamers. Same profile as heavy bolter but auto hits, much better.

Except you have to be within melta range to use that. a normal LM with a 72" cannon should not be that close

It's free so good for hordes and obivously only a dumb ass would roll up to use a flamer with meltas there........all tanks should have flamers is what I said, regardless of range. And yes some won't be used, but when that 72" range battlecannon has gone what you going to take then? Pop smoe heavy bolter shots with BS3, go for it

kenshin620 wrote:Except you have to be within melta range to use that. a normal LM with a 72" cannon should not be that close

Yes, but your opponent also has this nasty thing called the "movement phase" where they can move meltaguns closer to you. If only you were in complete control over how far your enemies were from your guns.

In general, I think this list is actually slightly worse than the first one. The blob is going to be much more survivable with the LC, but, as mentioned, it's twice as expensive as a regular commissar, but is also an independent character. meanwhile, without orders, the blob squad isn't doing jack (it won't even with orders, but still...)

Im' not actually that big of a detractor of extra armor, as it allows chimeras to accomplish their goal of transporting better. Likewise, it made sense on the demolishers who were going to try and keep pace with the chimeras. On regular russes, unless you're still charging them... pass.

I think the biggest problem with the list is that it's still disjointed. Turning the medusa into another russ and the hellhound into another vendetta would definitely help.

Much bigger fan of command squads than lord commissars here. In this list especially, just bite the bullet and get a normal commissar for the blob squad.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the extra armour yet. I don't think it's worth the 90 points or so to put it on every tank, may advice is to drop those upgrades altogether.

thank you for all the feedback, much appreciated. what about this list? is it wise to have hwts along with meltabombs and powerweps? should i go with shotguns or lasguns for the IS? im thinking to go with storm troopers so i dont waste lascannon opportunities with the vends. i agree, i would much rather have a 3rd leman and possibly a 3rd vend.

Hq
ccs - 4plasma- chimera - 165pts
ccs - 4plasma- chimera - 165pts

troops
platoon - totaling 450pts
------pcs - 4 flamers - chimera - 105pts
------IS - 4 squads merged - 1 commisar, 4hwt autocannons, 5power weapons, 4melta bombs - 345 pts

vets - 3 meltas - chimera - 155pts


elites
stormtroopers - 2meltas - 105
stormtroopers - 2meltas - 105

fast
vendetta - 130pts
vendetta - 130pts
hellhound - multi melta, smoke - 150pts

heavy
leman BT - heavy bolter - 150pts
leman BT - heavy bolter - 150pts
medusa - enclosed - 150pts

each little piece is better, but the list itself is still made of little pieces that you're trying to force together, rather than having a more focused, conjoined list.

Ailaros, are you saying i should do away with the blob and just go mech vet? throw out more chimeras and vets?

There are many things you could drop, but the part-mech, part-aircav, part-armored, part-artillery, part-infantry really ought to be distilled down to like 2 of those. Whether you get rid of the power blob, or the chimeras or the vendettas or the artillery or the tanks is up to you, depending on what play style you want.

Ailaros wrote:There are many things you could drop, but the part-mech, part-aircav, part-armored, part-artillery, part-infantry really ought to be distilled down to like 2 of those. Whether you get rid of the power blob, or the chimeras or the vendettas or the artillery or the tanks is up to you, depending on what play style you want.

I don't think this is true - you're identifying 'artillery' and 'air cav' as seperate elements which somehow don't work with tanks and transports - but in fact the vendettas are being used as pure gunships, and the medusa is a direct-fire platform, really just a demolisher that trades range for armour. Essentially this list is pure armour/mechanised, with one powerful blob to hold a home objective.

I personally amn't sure if that blob will justify its price tag - you've spent a lot of points on making it safe from assault, tank shock, etc. But it's definitely a sound unit to have. I'm not sure you have enough other troops. I would consider scrapping one CCS for another veteran squad. Remember that 1/3rd of all your games will have 3-5 objectives. Another way to increase scoring units would be to scrap one stormtrooper unit and take 1-2 SWS to ride in the vendettas - essentially they'd be upgrades to make them scoring, with the ability to hop out and roast things if necessary.

Apart from that it's a good list - not a huge fan of medusas vs conventional LRBTs, I think you might be better off with a squadron of 2 hydras or something, but go for it.