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How do the good people of Dakka Dakka play the rules for Valkyries and Vendettas? Do you go strictly by the rulebook or use some adaptation of them to better represent the mechanics of it all?

I mean, RAW says the following about airborne Valkyries, even those travelling 'flat out':

You can't pass or stop under them;

Ground units can assault them in close combat;

They're almost impervious to meltagun short range bonus (being so far from the shooter, vertically);

Models may not (dis)embark normally because they cannot be placed within 2" of an entry point.

Is there anything to say you can't remove a flyer base at will? What about using bases of different heights if so inclined?

I know how I'd adapt the rules in order to retain the spirit of the game but are there any common conventions people have agreed to?

Models must be on the bases that they were supplied with. Thus by strict RAW you cannot remove them from the base.

Bulletpoint 1: Why not? as long as you stay 1" away from the base and the model itself, you havent broken any rules.

Nulletpoint 2: Yes, they can. Ground units assault the base. Cannot see the issue here.

Bulletpoint 3: Yes, you lose an inch or two. Just deal with it.

Bulletpoint 4. Check the IG FAQ.

Steelmage99 wrote:Bulletpoint 1: Why not? as long as you stay 1" away from the base and the model itself, you havent broken any rules.

Nulletpoint 2: Yes, they can. Ground units assault the base. Cannot see the issue here.

Bulletpoint 3: Yes, you lose an inch or two. Just deal with it.

Bulletpoint 4. Check the IG FAQ.

Succinct.

Steelmage99 wrote:Bulletpoint 1: Why not? as long as you stay 1" away from the base and the model itself, you havent broken any rules.

Nulletpoint 2: Yes, they can. Ground units assault the base. Cannot see the issue here.

Bulletpoint 3: Yes, you lose an inch or two. Just deal with it.

Bulletpoint 4. Check the IG FAQ.

That's ace, buddy, thanks. So I'm to understand then that - regarding resolving shooting attacks - people typically play it as written? This confers a lovely advantage against short range weapons.

Your point about being able to move under a Valkyrie as long as you stay 1" away from it (or not even that if it's friendly) is excellent, I hadn't considered that, but why do you need to stay 1" away from the base too?

And what about assaulting? Do you actually think it's perfectly reasonable for ground units to assault an airborne Valkyrie or did you just misread my bullet point? If the former how do you figure it works out in fluff terms? Similarly, how about ramming? Do people have a common addendum they work by or do people normally play that one as written too?

Because you measure to the base if there is one.

Also the 1" rule is only for enemies; friendlies can happily wander underneath. There IS a restriction on the skimmer ending its move over other models, however.

Assaulting - everyone plays it as written. Making it unassaultable would be a little OP, and makes no more sense than making Eldar grav tanks unassaultable. remember assault could be grenades, shooting etc - not necessarily hitting stuff with your fists!

@Tom Norman

Yes, play as written.
Try it out with real models on the table (I did ). The advantage gained against short range weapons is really small.

Regarding Assault. I don't really get concerned about the fluff or real-life mechanics of the whole thing. Fluff is a tool used to make good stories, not good rules.

@Nos

The restriction on skimmers is to not end their move "on top of" friendly and enemy models. I am sure you can see the difference, especially in the context of this thread.

Other than that I totally agree with you.

Tom Norman wrote:Your point about being able to move under a Valkyrie as long as you stay 1" away from it (or not even that if it's friendly) is excellent, I hadn't considered that, but why do you need to stay 1" away from the base too?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because you measure to the base if there is one.

Great, ok, can you point that rule out to me? The section in the rulebook entitled 'Models in the way' on page 11 says "the space occupied by another model is represented by its base or hull", so I can kinda see where you're coming from there (although I'm inclined to think this implies measurements from the hull - if there is a hull to measure from - supercede measurements from a base). However, the rules concerning measuring distances to/from skimmers on page 71 say "The skimmer's base is effectively ignored, except when assaulting a skimmer...". Is there anything else in the good book we can refer to to make one school of thought or the other definitive?

Mainly the GW FAQ which talks about measuring from the base for most effects, as the model is so high up.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Mainly the GW FAQ which talks about measuring from the base for most effects, as the model is so high up.

I don't think that's right, no. The FAQ's comments on Valkyrie/Vendetta flying bases pertain only to (dis)embarkation and contesting objectives.

Well, anyway, this has all been very informative and I now know I can happily play the rules as written without fear of persecution...even if a couple of them are still a bit odd. Thanks all!

Well you get to play RAW with some modification, i.e. disembarking from the base and NOT the access point.