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In the book it states that when a charcter defeats a character as a result of a direct challenge he can roll on the eye of the gods table.

But, if a chaos character challenges a unit champion and wipes the floor with him, does that count towards rolling?

He is technicly defeating a champion as a direct result of a challenge. so shouldnt they get praise for defeating the Unit champions?

No, they only roll if they kill a character in a challenge.

Unit champions are not characters.

So the chaos gods just look at it and go.. Meh he wasn't really a challenge was he? it was a mercy killing at best..

thelordoflife wrote:So the chaos gods just look at it and go.. Meh he wasn't really a challenge was he? it was a mercy killing at best..

However you want to look at it... Sure

Pretty much.

Hmm that makes eye of the gods a much less usefull thing to have. unless your oponent is character mad, which unfortunatly my two regular oponents, are not.

Yes, it sucks, but the other method is overpowered - as the bat rep in WD showed.

You should see a LOT more characters, esp gobbo and skaven, in 8th than you did before. O&G armies now have gobbo or orc heros in a lot of units for the Ld buff, and some extra combat prowess.

Besides the abilty comes free with your characters so nothing lost.

Eye of the Gods also grants a roll when you kill a Large Target. Now it's less likely to happen, but Chaos Characters are more likely than most characters to have the tools to do so.

Stegadons are slow and tempting, but it turns out you can't kill one with an exalted hero...

Yes you can, you just need the dice gods on you'r side.

While we are asking questions about that, how does EotG work when you have a warshrine giving all your unit champs EotG? It is pretty cut and dry when your champ smacks down a character, but how do you work out who gets the killing blows on a monster? They all swing at the same time, so do you just assume that if the unit kills the beast the champ gets to roll, or do you separate his out?

Unit champions dont have eye of the gods, so they dont get to roll on the table when they win a challenge or kill a large target.

In the case of a character in a unit. The character will more then likely have higher initiative, so will swing first, if he doesnt kill it and the unit does, then he doesnt get to roll.

Except that as I stated the WARSHRINE gives all unit champs (even monstrous champs) Eye of the Gods.

So how's that work?

AS it does in the FAQ, if memory serves - if you cant determine who killed the monster, no EotG roll occurs. So the only likely time you are to get a roll is by killung a character in a challenge.

I would say that, just as with the hero, the chaos champ needs to inflict the kill to get the roll, and that the champ alone would get the boost, not his unit (though they have to suffer should he become stupid, or benefit if he gets MR(3), fear, terror, stubborn, etc). Since you get a choice who swings 'first' in an initiative step, I'd say you have to weigh your options and if the monster is near death, champ goes first, if you think the unit can drag it down for the champ to finish it, then unit goes first. Assuming the champ has the same Init, of course.

A side comment, it's funny to me how the FAQ went 180 on the issue of the Eye and Large Targets from 7th edition, where you could run down big things and roll on the Eye. Now they actually have to be killed killed. Lame

And an editorial comment, the Eye is really a cool thing, and also fairly hard to get to work apart from a warshrine. Mutant Regen is one of the reasons I dig trollstars, but the prevalence of fire and how badly it barbecues them poops on my EotG parade all over again

- Salvage

All equal Init attacks go at the same time, even if you roll seperately. Unless something massive has changed somewhere...

From the FAQ
"Q. If a character is in a unit and an enemy model with the Large
Target special rule is slain, must the character inflict the final wound
to gain the roll on the Eye of the Gods table? (p43)
A. Yes."

"Q. When a Warshrine is in play, do friendly Warriors of Chaos unit
champions earn a roll on the Eye of the Gods chart if they kill an
enemy character or large target? (p58)
A. Yes."

"Q. If a character is in a unit and an enemy model with the Large
Target special rule is slain, must the character inflict the final wound
to gain the roll on the Eye of the Gods table? (p43)
A. Yes."

Those are the only three passages in the FAQ that approach the topic, the first only affecting characters, and the second merely confirming that champs get the roll. The last yet again only affects characters.

Unfortunately no where in the faq does it specify that if you don't know who dropped the last wounds you don't get to roll. Characters have to drop it, but champs... no clue.

I agree with you though, the eye is a really neat option, but perhaps a little too tough to really milk :-/

You have one model, wich causes fear (not by a gift of the eotg), now you get "fearsome aura" by a roll on the eotg granted by a warshrine.
Re-roll or no re-roll?

If you already cause fear you reroll, from memory

Correct. Same with a Terror causing unit rolling up "Terrifying Appearance".

which is why a Chosen unit with Favor of the Gods and the Wailing banner is so delicious.

you will reroll most of the results on the table untill you get the one you want(or are stuck with a stat boost)

is it enough that one model causes fear? For example the champion of the chosen with the magic blade that causes fear for from the rulebook

Yeah, one model causing fear would be enough to force a reroll.


although it's better to give the Chosen the Terror banner and the Champion Favor of the Gods.

So, models all swing at once. But what if a model has a chance to drop the Large Target by itself. If a Khornate champion, with his 4 attacks, is swinging at a dragon with 4 or less wounds, would it be kosher to roll his dice first, to see if he and he alone can drop it?

I can understand why, when a champion does 2 wounds and the rest of the unit does 6, there's no way to say which wounds were the "last ones" and which were extra, but the above situation seems different.

No, all attacks at the same I step happen at once.