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Heya guys.

So just upgraded from 40K to Fantasy and played my first game last night vs. my friend's Lizardmen. We had a few questions and figured maybe you guys could give some answers.

1) My opponent targeted a chain lightning spell on a unit outside of close combat. The spell then jumped to one of my units in close combat. Is this a legal move? The book says that a wizard cannot target direct damage spells (like chain lighting) on units in close combat, but his reasoning was that the wizard DIDN'T target a unit in close combat. He argues the jumping effect of chain lightning isn't the wizard, it's a property of the spell, so it has to attempt to jump to every unit within it's area of effect. He argued that since the wizard targeted a unit outside of close combat, he operated within the restrictions for that spell type and the chain lightning is now essentially on autopilot, running is course and the wizard is not longer the one targeting anything.

2) I have a unit against the board edge who is well within range to charge the enemy. However in order to do so it needs to make a wheel. The problem is that when it wheels, one of its back ranks will be off the board by a few models. Does the charge automatically fail? Am I forced to regroup before charging or is there some rule that still allows me to wheel and charge?

So some simple questions from a new player. Probably easy answers in the BRB that I just missed, but would appreciate the forum's expertise regardless.

Cheers.

1) The spell lets you choose an enemy unit within 6", which is nto "targettign" and you can therefore annihilate a unit in CC.

How I read it anyway.

2) You cannot wheel off the board edge, as you have no permission to do so. IF there is no way to reach the charged unit without trying to wheel over the board edge then the charge fails. I cant think of many situations where a move forwards, wheel, move wouldnt succeed however, unless there is other terrain or units in the way.

With the chain lightning even though it bounces, I would believe its still considered a magic missile and bound by the rules of that type of spell.

So I would say no, it cant bounce into close combat.

CL isnt a magic missile, unless I've missed something...

It also isnt the initial casting, you are only bound by those restrictions when casting the spell -you resolve these effects AFTER casting.

Its a direct damage spell, so the point i was trying to make is still valid.

IMO, just because it "bounces" it is still a direct damage spell, and must follow the rules for one. As if it were basically cast again, at the new target.

The spell dosen't say it targets the next unit it just says "choose an enemy", so any enemy would cualify even if he's in CC.

Another thing of note is that under the Direct Damage rules on pg.31, it states, "Sometimes a direct damage spell will use a template to determine which models are hit. When this happens, the template cannot be placed in such a way that it touches friendly units or enemy units that are in close combat..." (underline added for emphasis)

Chain Lightning is a Direct Damage spell, but it is not a template spell. So, per the rules of Direct Damage and from the spell itself, I interpret that chain lightning could jump onto an enemy unit engaged in CC.

DarkAngelHopeful

ShivanAngel wrote:Its a direct damage spell, so the point i was trying to make is still valid.

IMO, just because it "bounces" it is still a direct damage spell, and must follow the rules for one. As if it were basically cast again, at the new target.

Except it explicitly ISNT cast again, and even uses the specific language "choose" and not "target"

So yes, it can hit a unit in CC, but not initially