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Hey guys, I was just thinking, Assault cannons are called assault cannons.
So why are they DAMN HEAVY 4!!!!!
It does not make sense!!!
They should definitely change that!

The question is why you dont make sense

Basicaly, GW say "Oh, lets call this thing an Assault cannon" and then can't think up rules that make sense with the name
Damn pathetic GW.

Gutsnagga wrote:Basicaly, GW say "Oh, lets call this thing an Assault cannon" and then can't think up rules that make sense with the name
Damn pathetic GW.

So you're saying its a good idea to change it to an assault weapon, making it even more powerful? Fine GW failed namewise, but does that even matter? It wouldnt even matter if it was called the kittycannon, its still a pretty scary weapon.

I'm just saying they should be consistent. Thats's all.
BTW Kittycannon would be the most epic weapon ever, firing cats at people, who would be very angry because they are being fired at people.
Also, My friend made up the Explosion gun. It shoots explosions.

It was called an assault cannon long before the concept of assault ever entered the game; and by the sounds of it, long before you were born. Doesn't really make sense to change it now.

Legion wrote:It was called an assault cannon long before the concept of assault ever entered the game; and by the sounds of it, long before you were born. Doesn't really make sense to change it now.

qft

You were NOT born.

The Assault Cannon is called an assault cannon because it lays down an assault of powerful shells capable of destroying vehicles and infantry alike, (assault cannons can even pen a land raider if you rend it, roll a 6, + another 3 giving it str 15 to av 14)

The reason why its heavy 4 is because the kick back on this thing must be HUGE. plus this weapon weighs so much even a terminator must brace him self to even shoot the darn thing (being a terminator he can assault after shooting it anyway!)

you think the assault cannon is underpowered? lets compare it to the closest thing chaos has to an assault cannon.

the auto cannon. it costs roughly the same. it only has two shots, one more strength, and no rending.. That means the assault cannon has MORE chances to pen raiders, AND is actually able to!.

Autocannons can't pen a raider. so be happy you even GET one.

Also, might I mention the only units which can buy it as an upgrade and assault are terminators and dreadnoughts, both of which can fire them on the move and assault after firing them.

wizard12 wrote:Also, might I mention the only units which can buy it as an upgrade and assault are terminators and dreadnoughts, both of which can fire them on the move and assault after firing them.

This. It's functionally an assault weapon, but the Heavy designator is there to suggest that fielding it on anything less than a walking tank would be absurd. It's also accurate to draw comparisons to the Autocannon, as fluff-wise, the Assault Cannon is a variant of the Autocannon, a heavy weapon.

grayspark wrote:

Legion wrote:It was called an assault cannon long before the concept of assault ever entered the game; and by the sounds of it, long before you were born. Doesn't really make sense to change it now.

qft

You were NOT born.

Yes, I waz not born, coz I iz Orkses! WAAAGH! GUTSNAGGA MO-ORK!!!

liquidjoshi wrote:It wouldnt even matter if it was called the kittycannon

Gutsnagga wrote:Kittycannon would be the most epic weapon ever, firing cats at people

I believe the weapon you refer to is a CATapult...

Regarding assaullt cannons... just be happy they arn't using old rules for them...

Heavy 3 and they jam (become useless) on a tripple 1!

Well how many times have you gotten three 1's at one time with three dice?

That's about a 1 in a hundred-something chance.

Well the heavy 3 thing was worse than the jams...
But i've only ever seen jams happen at the worse of times (eg, when that lone model HAS to die)

you mostly find assault cannons on terminators and tanks, where it doesn't matter that they're heavy, since it they can move and shoot heavy anyway.

grayspark wrote: Well how many times have you gotten three 1's at one time with three dice?

thats about a one in a hundred something chance.

actually, it's effectively 1/216 [6x6x6.] chance of it happening.


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And, also, Gutsnagga, you have firstly one of the most irritating typing styles I've ever come across, and you're one of the most irrational people I've ever met.

can you stop overdoing the exclimation points? please

on a further note, Assault cannons, in every way shape and form are better then autocannons, and your S7 AP4 gives them a sweet spot against T5 or lower, but really doesn't make them any more effective against infantry.

assault cannons can be AP2 effectively, and can be D6D3. Assault cannons are not, and can never be considered underpowered.

I'd prefer an assault cannon to autocannonry anyday.

Captain Solon wrote:you mostly find assault cannons on terminators and tanks, where it doesn't matter that they're heavy, since it they can move and shoot heavy anyway.

grayspark wrote: Well how many times have you gotten three 1's at one time with three dice?

thats about a one in a hundred something chance.

actually, it's effectively 1/216 [6x6x6.] chance of it happening.

Unless you are using this

Question: Why would making an Assault Cannon into an Assault weapon make it more powerful?

I don't think there's a unit in the game that has Assault Cannons that can't already move and fire?

Not really related to the thread but the kittycannon\CATapult has nothing on the ABG, that's right the Angry Badger Gun.

Which is why you put it on something like A TERMINATOR or a tank??? Terminators can move and fire heavy weapons, and obviously tanks can.

It doesn't need to be 'assault 4'. If you take it on something like a DEV team, you'll be camping anyway, so the heavy attribute doesn't matter.


Dunno what you're talking about bro.

Terminators are just screwed up - they have the ASSAULT cannon which is a heavy weapon, and the HEAVY flamer which is an assault weapon. GW needs to fix this, it has ruined my life.

The have always had Assault Cannons, Heavy Flamers and Chain Fist. way back in the RT Days they were the only ones that had them.

Back then they Assault Cannon was

Assault Cannon: Range: 12”/36”, STR: 8 DAM: 1d10 Save Mod: -3 and Heavy: 2”
Heavy Flamer: Range: 6”/18”, STR: 5 DAM: 1 Save Mod: -3 and Heavy: 2” and a Small Blast

And back then Terminators ignored the Heavy Rule too.

BearersOfSalvation wrote:Terminators are just screwed up - they have the ASSAULT cannon which is a heavy weapon, and the HEAVY flamer which is an assault weapon. GW needs to fix this, it has ruined my life.

While I know this might be a sarcastic statement, I've heard people say things like this (minus the last sentence) quite seriously.

No they don't. A "heavy flamer" is merely a heavier version of a flamer, it does not mean it cannot be ported by a single person. Are you going to claim a Battle Rifle is for battling, while a Carbine isn't just because of their names? It's just a name. Deal with it...

Melissia wrote:No they don't. A "heavy flamer" is merely a heavier version of a flamer, it does not mean it cannot be ported by a single person. Are you going to claim a Battle Rifle is for battling, while a Carbine isn't just because of their names? It's just a name. Deal with it...

Wow, you've definitively answered that one! I have a few more questions for you:

Why do we drive on the parkway and park on the driveway?
Do you feel sorry for the guys who had to test preparations A through G?
If a mime falls in the forest, does he make a sound?
What do you call a male ladybug?
How would I go about wearing one pant?

Bearer:

No need to be rude.

you park in a driveway because you drive your way into the park.
you can park along a parkway. a park, if you don't recall is also a place where you go to have a picnic.
Don't know.
Yes, damnit. he's not going to be miming in a forest.
A male ladybug.
You could always try a dog... -pant-

Captain Solon wrote:No need to be rude.

I agree, that's why I wasn't! Deal with it...

Melissia wrote:Question: Why would making an Assault Cannon into an Assault weapon make it more powerful?

I don't think there's a unit in the game that has Assault Cannons that can't already move and fire?

This^

anything carrying it either has relentless(or some form of it) or can't assault ever because its a vehicle.

Captain Solon, sorry for irritating you, but as they say deal with it.
And to pis you off even more, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suck on that.
BTW, I am making a new thread for Kitty cannons, CATapults, and badger guns or wat ev.

Nah that would be giving you too much credit.

Computers should check that your balls have descended before allowing you to post on the web.

Legion wrote:It was called an assault cannon long before the concept of assault ever entered the game; and by the sounds of it, long before you were born. Doesn't really make sense to change it now.

Very true. This thread is way to flamy for no apparent reason. Shutting down.