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Hey fellas, me and my bro have frequently come into debate about the Lash whips my Hive Tyrant uses.

It states anyone in base contact with the Tyrant strikes at I1, however what it doesn't state is if it's just for that turn, or every turn.

For benefit of the doubt, I play it as the first turn he assaults/assaulted. As it seems extremely unfair to be a permanent debuff. What I want to know is which am I right or not?


Please no "go re-read it again" answers, it doesn't enlarge your cyber-muscles...


Any response other than that is much appreciated! CHEERS!

Ethancol wrote:Hey fellas, me and my bro have frequently come into debate about the Lash whips my Hive Tyrant uses.

It states anyone in base contact with the Tyrant strikes at I1, however what it doesn't state is if it's just for that turn, or every turn.

For benefit of the doubt, I play it as the first turn he assaults/assaulted. As it seems extremely unfair to be a permanent debuff. What I want to know is which am I right or not?


Please no "go re-read it again" answers, it doesn't enlarge your cyber-muscles...


Any response other than that is much appreciated! CHEERS!

Go re-read it. -Pumps Cyber-Muscles-

No, it is not a permanent Debuff. The rule states "Any enemy model that is in base contact with a Tyranid with one or more lash whips..." Emphasis mine. It says "is", not "has ever been". If you are not in base contact, the rule never applies, whether or not you happened to be in base contact with it at some point before.

To summarize: It's every turn the model is in base contact. If it's no longer in BtB, the rule does not apply.

Xca|iber wrote:To summarize: It's every turn the model is in base contact. If it's no longer in BtB, the rule does not apply.

+1

Ok cheers for that (My my, 21" cuber-guns xD )

Right what usually happens is Dante and his sanguine guard fight my Tyrant, Independant characters have to be in BtBC with the enemy right?

So therefore, Dante strikes last meanwhile my Tyrant can put all his attacks with the possibility of instant death towards him thanks to the bonesword..

And you all suggest this occurs on BOTH of our assault phases aslong as they're duelling it out?


You can see why we think this rule is a abit crap lol.

Its not crap its just that Dante is rather weak, having no EW and all, and should avoid fighting big stuff in CC.
Edit: Not to mention rants tend to be rather bad ass too.

Alright, it applies to EVERY independant character just about.



Swap Dante for Mephi-phi-phiston, that's a recipe for a bad atmosphere :/

Ethancol wrote:Alright, it applies to EVERY independant character just about.



Swap Dante for Mephi-phi-phiston, that's a recipe for a bad atmosphere :/

Nitpick: Mephi isn't an IC.

And my Logan Grimnar has no trouble taking down Swarmlords. -Waves my EW, PE, PF and LL at you-

No don't, Meph can handle any monster out there but a tyrant. Theres two reasons for that, first shadow in the warp screws his powers over somethin fierce, and second whips make him loose his initiative edge and with no invulnerabe save... lets just say it ain't pretty.

And no EW. Since Boneswords don't rely on 2xT to cause ID, Mephi falls over within seconds.

Ok, so you fella's reckon I should count the baddies in contact with the HT at I1 EVERY assault phase, whether it's mine or his?


And yeah Grimnar is mega, he wiped my Trygon out last month :S


Also, if Mephi ain't an IC, what is he?!?!?!

Ethancol wrote:Ok, so you fella's reckon I should count the baddies in contact with the HT at I1 EVERY assault phase, whether it's mine or his?


And yeah Grimnar is mega, he wiped my Trygon out last month :S


Also, if Mephi ain't an IC, what is he?!?!?!

1) As long as they are in BTB, they are I1, regardless of what player's turn it is.

2) Yay! I once had a Rune Priest intakill a Trygon prime. That was fun.

3) He is a unit of 1 model, the same way a Land Raider is a unit of One model but not an IC.

Gwar! wrote:And no EW. Since Boneswords don't rely on 2xT to cause ID, Mephi falls over within seconds.

Please Gwar! can you go over and post this in the silly RAW thread instead

I see. Okie doke cheers for clearing that up!

And yeah my Trygon hasn't performed well so far, yet.

Right I'll let him know over xbox live tonight hahaha



My query is now resolved you may block this thread now

Ethancol wrote:My query is now resolved you may block this thread now

But we where just starting to drift off topic

Eh, you've gotta be careful with Mephiston. If he gives himself wings (which he can do outside SitW range), his assault range is longer than yours, as he is Fleet.

So presuming that now HE is going to charge YOU, he flies in, runs, and then potentially makes himself S10 (depending on if he passes his Psychic Test on 3D6, also potentially hurting himself).

You now get 4 attacks at him, with 3+ to hit, 4+ to wound. Statistically, he shouldn't die to that (Ld 10 tests are easy to pass), though you'll probably hurt him.

He gets 6 attacks, 4+ to hit, and either 4+ to wound or 2+ to wound. Chances are he'll inflict at least one wound. Then, he can now Instant Death YOU. Of course, SitW might save you, but you still run a big risk.

Also, Mephisty is not an IC.

EDIT: Of course, if he doesn't ID the tyrant, he's dead next turn. Either way, I'd rather overwhelm him with shooting attacks.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

Very good thinking Excaliber, but the whole point was me and my bro getting annoyed and confused over his guy getting snatched by oily tentacles every turn lol!

That's true, he'd probably wipe the Tyrant but it just seems to far-fetched that one dirty bug can kill a CHAPTER MASTER OF THE MOST BAD-ASS CHAPTER TO EVER HAVE LIVED who's also 1400years old or something awesome...

We like our in-game fluff haha!

Phesh my rant kills meph on regular basis. SitW does much more than "might save" when it comes to him trying for force weapon. And yes he does get the charge on me most of the time.

ALso if its the swarmlord he IDs you, no need for a Ld test.

Yea but Swarmy is meant to pwn in CC. Not to mention he's more expensive much slower and pretty much allways needs guards. So yea a more expensive character winning the fight is no big achievement.

I thought mephiston and swarmie were more or less the same points? Minus the mandatory guard to get you to CC of course, lash whip bone sword guard for extra S5 power weapon goodness....

Swarmy is 30 pts more expensive.

Edited to avoid potential GW C&D's.

Ethancol wrote:Very good thinking Excaliber, but the whole point was me and my bro getting annoyed and confused over his guy getting snatched by oily tentacles every turn lol!

That's true, he'd probably wipe the Tyrant but it just seems to far-fetched that one dirty bug can kill a CHAPTER MASTER OF THE MOST BAD-ASS CHAPTER TO EVER HAVE LIVED who's also 1400years old or something awesome...

That is why he should always wash his hands after going to the lavatory.

HoverBoy wrote:Phesh my rant kills meph on regular basis. SitW does much more than "might save" when it comes to him trying for force weapon. And yes he does get the charge on me most of the time.

I was just mentioning the possibility of him passing the psychic test. I regularly confound the tyranid player in our group by passing almost every 3D6 psychic test I attempt.

Yea it happens, and at that point the rant gets pwnd, since it takes at least two combat phases for meph to go splat. Come to think of it meph prolly can take a rant with no guards even without using the force weapon, i've never been in that situation tho.

Which is why running a rant that isnt the swarmlord is mainly a waste of points...

My dakkarant, and scores of enemy infantry would beg the differ, but this discussion belongs in tactics.

Ethancol wrote:Very good thinking Excaliber, but the whole point was me and my bro getting annoyed and confused over his guy getting snatched by oily tentacles every turn lol!

That's true, he'd probably wipe the Tyrant but it just seems to far-fetched that one dirty bug can kill a CHAPTER MASTER OF THE MOST BAD-ASS CHAPTER TO EVER HAVE LIVED who's also 1400years old or something awesome...

We like our in-game fluff haha!

One dirty bug that is a leader of the Tyranid swarms, that is by some accounts in the Codex a semi-independent creature who's mind may live on within the Hive Mind after death. Who also happens to be the size of a municipal bus.

Most fluff stories out there describe the Tyrants as absolutely terrifying beasts who can take on most of the big nasties within the 40k realm; not with the same "holy emperor" level of terror that a carnifex usually produces, but still up there with tearing through some of the worst that can be thrown at them.

For tabletop references, just last week I had one kill a demon prince on the turn he was charged by the thing. They are nasty (Swarmlord extremely so...), so treat em as such.