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Had an interesting situation come up in round 1 of 'ard boyz that we weren't sure how to resolve.

Lv 3 vampire lord casts Transformation of Kadon to become a great fire dragon.

He miscasts during the casting, losing 3 wizard levels and forgetting the spell.

According to the rulebook, RiP spells go away when they're dispelled, the wizard is slain, or the caster chooses to end it - only then, from the sound of it.

We played that it stayed in play and active, and his great fire dragon proceeded to munch through a block of chaos warriors with my BSB. From all angles, it seems like we played it right. Anyone disagree, and know why?

Did it right.

Yep. He cannot end it, as he isnt a wizard, and it doesnt meet involuntary conditions for ending it, so you dont.

It can still be dispelled as it is RiP tho.

Anyone care to point out how the vamp ceases to be a wizard? It says he loses levels, not that he stops being a wizard

Leith wrote:Anyone care to point out how the vamp ceases to be a wizard? It says he loses levels, not that he stops being a wizard

BRB, pg.28, Wizard Level, par.1, "Wizards have a level from 1 to 4." So, the reasoning is, if he lost all of his levels cannot claim he has a level from 1 to 4, then he is not a wizard.

It doesn't matter whether the caster is still a wizard or not. Page 36 says "[Remains in play spells] only come to an end when the target is slain, or else the caster is slain, chooses to end the spell ... or leaves the battlefield." (emphasis added on the significant term).

No longer being able to cast the particular spell, or any spell at all, or ceasing to be a wizard entirely, doesn't cause the spell to end early; nor does any of that prevent the caster from voluntarily ending the spell early.

Leith wrote:Anyone care to point out how the vamp ceases to be a wizard? It says he loses levels, not that he stops being a wizard

As was pointed out: wizards have a level 1 - 4. If yuo dont have wizard level 1 - 4, you are not a wizard as you dont meet the definition of one.

As i understand the reading of the rules, you are not required to be a wizard to volontarily end a RIP spell you cast, you are only required to be the caster.

though in this case i doubt that the vampire would want to end the spell.

I'm with solkan. The Model Formerly Known As Wizard was still the caster.

solkan wrote:It doesn't matter whether the caster is still a wizard or not. Page 36 says "[Remains in play spells] only come to an end when the target is slain, or else the caster is slain, chooses to end the spell ... or leaves the battlefield." (emphasis added on the significant term).

No longer being able to cast the particular spell, or any spell at all, or ceasing to be a wizard entirely, doesn't cause the spell to end early; nor does any of that prevent the caster from voluntarily ending the spell early.

I'll concede that. It makes sense.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:The Model Formerly Known As Wizard was still the caster.

This statement is not only correct, its made of WIN