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1. the rules state that minis have to be on the size of base they came with. So for old terminators and the like, does that mean they can use their old small bases, or do I have to rebase them on the 40mm base?

2. I was running chainswords on my sergeants when I modeled them, but in tweaking my army list, I had enough points to equip them with power weapons. As I don;t wish to cut the chainswords off (I painted them waaay too well), could I just paint the chainsaw teeth blue and represent the weapons as power chainswords?

1. I am not quite sure on that one. Some people still use the old Rhino, which is a fair bit smaller then the current one, and thats allowed, but I don't know what to say for models with bases.

2. It does not say anywhere that a powerweapon as to be a sword or axe. So as long as you have it written on your army list, and inform your opponent that they are power weapons, I see no problem with this.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:1. the rules state that minis have to be on the size of base they came with. So for old terminators and the like, does that mean they can use their old small bases, or do I have to rebase them on the 40mm base?

2. I was running chainswords on my sergeants when I modeled them, but in tweaking my army list, I had enough points to equip them with power weapons. As I don;t wish to cut the chainswords off (I painted them waaay too well), could I just paint the chainsaw teeth blue and represent the weapons as power chainswords?

Bolde the oxymoron in the first one, feel free with the second one, you just need to 'visually represent' it.

Heck if you wanted you could probably model a giant spoon as a power weapon...

ChrisCP wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:1. the rules state that minis have to be on the size of base they came with. So for old terminators and the like, does that mean they can use their old small bases, or do I have to rebase them on the 40mm base?

2. I was running chainswords on my sergeants when I modeled them, but in tweaking my army list, I had enough points to equip them with power weapons. As I don;t wish to cut the chainswords off (I painted them waaay too well), could I just paint the chainsaw teeth blue and represent the weapons as power chainswords?

Bolde the oxymoron in the first one, feel free with the second one, you just need to 'visually represent' it.

So, the question, more simply, is should old terminators be rebased? Not quite sure where your argument lies...

By RAW, old terminators should be on the bases they came with.
New terminators on the 40mm bases (unless it came with a 25 also).

It has to be a 40mm base but if you are playing a casual game and your opponent knows it is a power weapon then it is up to them. But in tournaments they will say no that chainsaord in definitely a chainsword. Under the rule "what you see is what you get".

COMMANDER SUNTZU wrote:It has to be a 40mm base...

No it doesn't, it has to be the base that the model was supplied with. All terminators except the most recent plastic ones were supplied with 25mm bases, so that's what you use for those models.

That said, I have had no one complain about my old Chaos Terminators being mounted on 40mm bases. More often than not, the larger bases become a disadvantage because I like to deep strike them a lot.

As for the power chainswords, as long as it's easy for an opponent to be able to tell them apart from regular chainswords, then I'd say it's fine. Painting the teeth a bright blue should be enough, but definitely make a point to explain this to your opponents before each game (preferably before deployment).

My meagnobs are smaller than my boys, and on 25mm, their almost smaller than gretchin (not quite serious about that) but I rarely field them so this point is moot.

The point I was maing OP is that you have old temies and you were going to put them on bases which came with the new ones. In the eyes of the law (RAW) it's the same as asking if you could base new on old, as that's the bases they came with back in the day. the new ones have big bases >=(

COMMANDER SUNTZU wrote:It has to be a 40mm base but if you are playing a casual game and your opponent knows it is a power weapon then it is up to them. But in tournaments they will say no that chainsaord in definitely a chainsword. Under the rule "what you see is what you get".

Wrong.

Page 74, small rulebook.

"What You See Is What You Get" only specifically applies to Characters, and even there it makes provisions for equipment that differs from what's modeled on the model itself - as long as you specify pre-game what the unit or model's wargear actually is.

It is entirely acceptable for a chainsword to be painted blue and called a power sword.

For the sake of courtesy, however, it's generally accepted that all chainswords should be counted as chainswords, and you need to model a power sword if the model is armed with a power sword. However, the rules do not support this approach.

THe Sarge IS a character - an upgrade character...

Wouldn't it be nice if under the unit rule in each entry, down where they list stats and wargear, they would add a little line that says:
BASE SIZE: 40mm, or BASE SIZE: 25mm, etc.
This would definitely clear up and create a standard basing policy.

Regarding chainswords: once upon a time, a chainsword was a specific weapon with a specific statline. Now it is just a generic ccw, like an axe or a club. Nobody can complain that you use a large ornate looking complicated seeming weapon as something greater than a club. Paint it like it has 'power' crackling around it and it is a power weapon, says I. If they stand out obviously from the other regular ccws you use, I think it would only be TFG at a tournament that would want to poop on your cake by whining about your power-chainswords to the TO.

oh yeah... I want a power spoon too... shall have to look into that

nosferatu1001 wrote:THe Sarge IS a character - an upgrade character...

But even the WYSIWYG rule allows provisions for equipment not shown on the model.

You just have to be clear about what it is before the game starts.

I know, I was just clarifying that the wysiwyg rules would apply to Sarges.

Pedantic? Moi?

Fair enough.

OP, the bottom line is that if you want to call a piece of wargear something, all you have to do for it to be legal is pay the proper amount of points for it and specify what it is pre-game. Anything beyond that is outside of the rules, though there are certain things (such as writing it down in your army list and actually modeling it appropriately) that are considered common courtesy, and should be done anyway if possible.

And the question about bases, well... you answered that yourself.

Base minis on the bases with which they come. Some people will accept deviance from this standard (for example, I wouldn't argue against older Terminators on 40mm bases), but don't expect it.

However, as ever when it comes to mdoelling: if going to a tournament check with the TO.

They are perfectly at rights to ban pink marines because, well, they feel their masculinity is threatened (and no, taking along rainbow warrior marines instead wont help things ) so they can easily decide all terminators must be on 40mm. OR 25mm. So check with them if in doubt.

However *most* TOs are fairly sane, easyish going people, and a reasonable model is likely to get a reasonable response.

You're not wrong - actually, you can consider a normal chainsword a power weapon! nothing says you can't have power chainsword!

It says they can sometimes be a glaive or a swordey thingie, but the idea is that it's different to the normal weapons.

Well, that kind of goes for just about anything.

If you're going to enter a tournament, if in doubt, ask the TO. Regardless of the issue.

I felt it didn't need to be said, it's such an obvious answer.

I would have liked to have modeled the chainswords properly, but I had to change my army list after making them. Just like the company veteran that I modeled with a plasma pistol before I actually did the numbers. I cut that off to prevent me using it and replaced it. I just don;t want to cut these off and replace them.

SaintHazard wrote:

"What You See Is What You Get" only specifically applies to Characters, And all models from Codex: Eldar, and even there it makes provisions for equipment that differs from what's modeled on the model itself - as long as you specify pre-game what the unit or model's wargear actually is.

fixed it for you.

Eldar MUST be 100% WYSIWYG as their codex specifically states at the beginning of the army lists section that they must follow WYSIWYG.



as far as the terminators go you may use the 25mm bases that thye came with. in fact you could mix them in with new terminators legally(just expect some people to cry foul)

In Codex SW a frostblade is described as a powerweapon that also ad +1 S, but the drawn standard pattern frostblade is a chainsword, so RaI for me is powerweapons can be crafted as chainswords, and thus a model with chainsword can have the PW without re modeling.

Given that really REALLY good (therefore old) powerswords dont have a physical blade at all (Eisenhorns, if memory serves) then there is nothing stopping you adding a power field to any weapon, chain sword included.

as far as we know there might be only 1 blade of that type in existance now and likely no more then a handful at most when they were invented.

it is a big exception to the rule.



on topic, yes chainswords can be given the power field generator that makes it a PW.

Grey Templar wrote:as far as we know there might be only 1 blade of that type in existance now and likely no more then a handful at most when they were invented.

it is a big exception to the rule.

Fluff ≠ Rules.

well if you can model a Lightsabre type PW then more power to you.


and i said that a PW coule simply be a Chainsword with the energy field.

If you are counting on chainsword as a powersword, then ALL chainswords in the army should be powerswords to avoid confusion.

unless you can tell at a glance which is which.

definitly need to diferentiate betwen them.

Todosi wrote:If you are counting on chainsword as a powersword, then ALL chainswords in the army should be powerswords to avoid confusion.

Or, you know, you could say "THIS ONE GUY WHO IS MY HQ HAS A POWER WEAPON THAT LOOKS LIKE A CHAINSWORD."

If your opponent is dim enough to be confused by that, he is in the wrong hobby.

Todosi wrote:If you are counting on chainsword as a powersword, then ALL chainswords in the army should be powerswords to avoid confusion.

The rules do not support this statement.

I could, if I wanted to, model all of my models with a carrot on a stick and a banjo, and as long as I specify what each of them is equipped with before the game begins, and I pay the proper amount of points for their wargear, I'm within the rules.

Common courtesy is all that stops people from doing this. That, and the (well-founded) fear that nobody will ever play with them again for being a douchebag.