Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Taking into account DA and their issues... how does this sound?

Belial+banner
Sammael in LS + apothecary
2 x 5 terminators (sarge, normal, 2xclaws, TH/SS)
LRC
LR
2 x 6 bikes (2 meltaguns each) plus AC/HB LS

Idea?

LRs mid table, threatening or even assaulting the fire base.

Bikes tank hunting, keeping them together if anihilation.

Suggestions and comments appreciated

Extremely low model count.
Here is my RW squadron:

Nice models.

Besides the obvious (I play 26 terminators at 2k DW), any ideas or advice?

i personally dont like playing sammael....
....hes a nice model for sure. but with side and back ' armour 10 on that speeder hes not that hard a taget.
sure you have the apothecary... (can you even use that on sammael?)

and the model count is a bit low.

Bikes are easy to take down whether shooting at them or CC. and 2 units of terminators might be good but there not going to walk through an army at 2000pts.

i say drop the LR... freeing up 250 pts. you can chuck belial and CC terminators in there. i prefere to use 3xLC and 2x TH SS with belial if im putting them in a LRC.... More CC punch and they are protected by armour 14

I dont find bikes perform either for there points...you scouting them?

and wheres your heavy support? Nt even 1 Vindicator :( or even some devs with plasma cannons + lascannon?

TBH everything but the LR + LRC would be easy pickings. then once you charge out of it (if it manages to survive rounds of shooting) you might win the combat you get into, but then you are open for fire. which if your oponent declines the SM SS rules you get only a 5+ inv against. (hopefully you have nice oponents even so you only have 1 3+ inv in those units.

so ...
consider dropping the second LR.
Consider either a dev squad or vindicator as a must.
drop the 100pt LS in the ravenwing and take an attack bike instead.
Personal opinion but drop sammael and use the points for more model count.

DA are not competative so we need something to put pressure on everyone else. if you make some of the changes above you have more points to play with. i like playing a vet squad with 2 SS in it. but im just lucky with my roles
Hope this helps

Regards

Besper

Just for the record: Sammael is 14 all around.

And the 2 units of terminators are not walking, they are in a LR each.

Sorry forgot Sammael was front and side armour 14.

he would do okay but personally i dissagree with the option.

Regards

Erm no sammael is not 14 all round hes 14/14/10 which makes him easy pickings for anything. one las cannon shot, on melta shot (theres lots of these round now days) and he is just not worth his points at all

at what point did i say he was 14 all around?

Tanhausen wrote:Just for the record: Sammael is 14 all around.

And the 2 units of terminators are not walking, they are in a LR each.

i wasnt talking about you i was talking about taunhausen

Besper wrote:at what point did i say he was 14 all around?

not you, him

Tanhausen wrote:Just for the record: Sammael is 14 all around.

And the 2 units of terminators are not walking, they are in a LR each.

OOOO i got in there 4 seconds before you but cheers for the backup xD

Tanhausen wrote:Just for the record: Sammael is 14 all around.

And the 2 units of terminators are not walking, they are in a LR each.

sammael is AV 14/14/10 - which makes him easy picking from behind or in combat. this is why i dont like using him. if used right tho he is annoying to kill.

the terminators with belial i agree taking in the LRC. its a nice tact.
but your wasting 250 points taking a basic unit of terminators in another one. thats another unit to deepstrioke or a unit of something to bulk your army. or even a dev squad or vindictor x2.

think about your list.

cos i think youll have issues getting this to work.

Regards

I'm not a fan of the AC/HB speeders in DA armies. Yes they score, but you have to get close and they're fragile.

I'd make about 4 bike squads of Sarge, 2 Meltaguns and MM Attack bike. That should give you enough scouting meltaguns. I don't think you need the apothecary if you're shy points. 8 melta units > the two you have + speeders. Yes, more KPs, but you'll be able to take out more units per turn if you need to.

How about this?

Belial
2 x Sarge, HF, CF, PF, TH (1 apothecary, 1 banner)
1 x sarge 2 claws 2 TH
1 x Sammel in LS
2 x 6 bikes, double metla + MM AB
2 x Ven Dreads, TL lascan and missiles

Potentially 8 scoring units, no vehicles for the enemy meltas to burst.

If I take away 3 extra bikes and the terminators apothecary, I could fit in 2 MM/HF LS

And I stand corrected: 14/14/10. But if I let you catch my rear armour, I deserve to be blown away

The thing you have to remember with MM/HF speeders is that in the DA codex they don't have the option to deepstrike. That's the key to them in the SM codex.

If you don't have the Land Raiders, get more bike squads to ensure that you have homers down when the Termies come in.

If you want long range dread support, try the two twin-linked autocannon dreadnought. I've been trying out a pair lately and they are great!

ryan3740 wrote:The thing you have to remember with MM/HF speeders is that in the DA codex they don't have the option to deepstrike. That's the key to them in the SM codex.If you don't have the Land Raiders, get more bike squads to ensure that you have homers down when the Termies come in.

If you want long range dread support, try the two twin-linked autocannon dreadnought. I've been trying out a pair lately and they are great!

The bold part is very much not true. It is generally a bad idea to deep strike speeders. You can move 24" in the first turn and then in the second turn you have a 24" Melta range.

And DA can not take Rifelman Dreads...
Those of you saying that Samael are easy pickings with lascannons et. al, are you serious? Why would you expose rear armour on a skimmer to a lascannon?