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I haven't even picked up 8th yet, but I'm planning on putting together 500 points for Dakkacon's mini fantasy campaign. Problem is, I've never built a force and the %'s are kicking my ass.

So I'm hoping some of you here might have some ideas on what will work with what I have or at worst buying 1 box of something.

Here's what I have on hand:

1x Chaos Sorcerer on foot
1x Chaos Champ on Foot
5x Chaos Knights
5x Marauder Horsemen w/Flails
10x Chaos Hounds

The knights have a full command, but I can always just play them without. The Champ and Sorc are the Gamesday versions.

So, Ideas?

That can be a great force for 500 points, imho . Chaos knights are still monsters at killing stuff, and let's face it, what else is going to be able to stand up to them at this point level?

Marauder horsemen and hounds... not so much but they can still be useful, and give you a very, very fast list!

I will go into points-adding mode and type up something for you later tonight / tomorrow morning when I am home

I'm just getting started with Fantasy and WoC myself. I don't have the book in front of me, but off the top of my head you have about 530 pts running everything there as listed (flails were included with the Marauders).

1x Chaos Sorcerer on foot - 85 pts
1x Chaos Champ on Foot - 110 pts
5x Chaos Knights - 200 pts
5x Marauder Horsemen w/Flails - 75 pts
10x Chaos Hounds - 60 pts

You need and have...

Hero > 125 pts, you have 195 pts
Core < 125 pts, you have 135 pts (Under the WoC book Chaos Hounds do not count torwards your core requirements. I don't know if this has changed under 8th or not.)
Rare > 125 pts, you have 0pts
Special > 125 pts, you have 200 pts

Based on the force composition percentages The Chaos Knights seem to be high to me at this point leve. I'd save those for 1000pts and recommend picking up some Chaos Warriors. A single box of CWs will run you 180 pts without upgrades. Then you either add your Hero of choice and you've got a list with a solid block of infantry and room for upgrades.

Hero:
Chaos Sorcerer on foot - 85 pts

Core:
Chaos Warriors - 180 pts
Chaos Warhounds - 60 pts
Marauder Horsemen - 75 pts

This list would be 400pts without upgrades. You could add what you want in upgrades and that's not enough points drop the warhounds to 1 unit of 5 strong, which would free up 30 pts.

If you don't want to buy anything at all I'd say go ahead and run what you've got minus either the scorcer or champ, using their points for upgrades for your units. it's all about having fun anyhow.

Hope that helps a bit. I've been milling over how to build out my 1000pt list for awhile.

You get 50% for special, so that's 250 points, not 125!

I would suggest getting one more box of marauder horsemen. Is there any chance that you could convert one of the foot-characters to be mounted?

If not, perhaps you could convert one of the new marauder horsemen models to be a character (although then you would have to run the others together as a single unit, which might not be a bad thing! They're fragile).

I didn't get to it last night but will definitely type you up a list tonight . I think an all-mounted build would be good and scary!

Hmm ... Well, here's my shot:

H: Sorcerer - spell familiar, golden eye = 125

C: 7 Horsemen - standard, musician, flails, light armor = 130
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 5 Knights - musician = 210
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495

Only adds two more horsemen (command models most likely) over the list you posted. Idea is the sorcerer wanders along by himself (4/4+ save vs shooting) but absolutely stays away from enemy charges, or can walk with a doggy escort if you're afraid of small arms fire overloading your ward. Knights tear everybody's face off - yes they will absorb a lot of fire but like RT says, total killers in small points - and the horsemen see what they can do in 8th?

An alternative might be to mark them Khorne and give the ol' glasscannon a shot, at the cost of those 2 extra horsemen I was going to make you buy. Still a smashy unit, but the turns after things get sad quickly ... And frenzy baiting might be a reality at such low points

Another upshot of going with kr0n horsemen is that you could afford a 6th dog, which happens to be the maximum number of puppies you can stuff into a war machine assault crew

H: Sorcerer - spell familiar, golden eye = 125

C: 5 Horsemen - MoK, standard, musician, flails, light armor = 128
C: 6 Warhounds = 36

S: 5 Knights - musician = 210
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499

- Salvage

RiTides wrote:You get 50% for special, so that's 250 points, not 125!

Right you be. Apologies for my newbness.

Thanks for all of the help so far guys. I'm really partial to any lists that let me just use what I have on hand instead of having to plop down more cash! Granted I'll still have to pick up another core sometime soon to build the force up further , I'm just not there yet!

I like the second list you posted Salvage, mostly from the reasoning above, I don't have to buy anything else! I've no standard on the Marauders right now though, so that's a small issue...but maybe I can fudge the wysiwyg ...

Bah, maybe I should just break down and buy another unit of horsemen already...and maybe a champ on steed...and a unit of chaos warriors......am I at 1k yet ?

Cheers Grey, glad to help. You can get around the standard by taking a champ instead, keeps your core just above 25% and no need for extra models

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:Cheers Grey, glad to help. You can get around the standard by taking a champ instead, keeps your core just above 25% and no need for extra models

- Salvage

Just did up the numbers on the second list, and technically I can't take it by ONE POINT...%'s can go to hell.

Clarifying, it's that the list is 499 points, the sorcerer can't be 125 points as it's 25% of 500 and not 499 >_<...


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I guess I'll just have to go under the limit. I've cooled off about the one point now... I miss slots still...

I don't think you have to worry about what your list actually comes out to for percentages, just what the game limit is. Otherwise all kinds of weird stuff starts happening.

So you should be good to go with 125 in heroes...

RZ

I suspect no one will really care about that 1 point.

grey_death wrote:Clarifying, it's that the list is 499 points, the sorcerer can't be 125 points as it's 25% of 500 and not 499 >_<...

I noticed this when building the list too, but I've never noticed it with any other that I've made, weirdly enough. I agree though that you should just go off the agreed army total as far as % legality goes, and also that hopefully RT and Dakka won't care too much

- Salvage

Lol, I can clarify that in the rules if needed, but I always go off of the points limit total. I.e., you're allowed to spend 500 points on the army, and 25% of that can be in heroes = 125 points. It doesn't matter if you come out short on your particular army's total... at least I don't think it does, and it definitely won't matter for this event, even if I have to house-rule it . But I believe that's how it actually works, too!

Nice list Boss_Salvage. Was trying to type one up last night and ended up too tired. If, however, you do want to buy another box of marauder horsemen grey_death, I would convert one and make that hero mounted- as he's going to be awful lonely as it is!

I tried working out points for a mounted champ/hero and he just ended up far too expensive and that's without other wargear. I would love to pick up the exalted champ on horseback though, the model is just fantastic.

The extra box of horsemen might be in the works. We'll see how far along I get with the current set of models (that work now with the clarifications ). Though I suspect I'll likely have to just run what I have as class work seems to be scaling quickly up, eating more and more time.

Yeaaaa I'd beg, borrow or steal a mounted sorcerer model somehow, to preserve the theme as well as the sorcerer! The % cap is driving me nuts but here's a shot:

H: Sorcerer - ***, spell familiar, barded steed = 121

C: 5 Horsemen - MoK, chieftain, musician, flails, throwing spears, light armor = 133
C: 6 Warhounds = 36

S: 5 Knights - musician = 210
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500

*** being one of those tasty 5 point upgrades:
- biting blade (2 WS5 S4 AP attaks isn't nothing!)
- charmed shield (ignore first hit but also 1+ save)
- dragonbane gem (2+ ward vs fire, less likely at 500 points)
- ironcurse icon (6+ ward for his unit vs war machines)
- potion of speed (I8 for a turn)
- potion of foolhardiness (ItP and +1A on the charge for a turn)

I'd probably go with the biting blade myself, easily modeled and useful against everybody. But yea, make that mounted guy happen

- Salvage

Edit: Ah, just got that the 121 was including the 5-point item. I'd go with the charmed shield or one of the potions, personally

That list looks good to me!!!! So instead of picking up the marauder horsemen box, get the exalted champ model that you like and call it done!

Loving the all mounted roving warband style. It gets my vote! What lore? This might actually be a case where fire is a good one. Scalable signature spell, and some ranged threat to deal with things you're not prepared to fight?

Well, right now I've got it down in the ruleset for the warbands that the "large" version of spells is not in play at 500 points. I'll be looking at this / playtesting it, though!

We'll also be generating winds of magic PD on a single D6 (counts as a D3 for your opponent's DD) so that might affect which lore you take, too.

I forgot that lore has to be in the army list, so that's something to consider! A lower level caster for chaos only has access to a few from the BRB, though, right?