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If I were to buy some DKOK from FW, and then make a mould? I am fairly sure its illegal and they would be of fairly crappy quality, but what do you guys think?
(I think this belongs in this thread)

Don't do that.

*start rocky music* You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't steal a televion. Piracy, it's a crime. As is what you're suggesting: don't.

Personal use is one thing and may or may not be illegal depending on jurisidiction. Use to sell-thats typically illegal depending on jurisdiction.

I would say it is illegal so don't do it.

I have no intentions to sell them god no. I just cant afford forgeworld miniatures I wonder why they make them out of resin rather than plastic

Just Dave wrote:*start rocky music* You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't steal a televion. Piracy, it's a crime. As is what you're suggesting: don't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
Need I say more?

cheaper manufacturing for limited runs.

While it's technically illegal as long as you're not producing thousands of them and selling them you'll fly under the radar.

oni wrote:While it's technically illegal as long as you're not producing thousands of them and selling them you'll fly under the radar.

true but stll!!! i can see where yor coming from but its not fair really, ok so they charge over the odds but a lot of works gone in to them.

we can all sit here but in the end you need to let your concience decide

winnertakesall wrote:I have no intentions to sell them god no. I just cant afford forgeworld miniatures I wonder why they make them out of resin rather than plastic

This makes it simple. It means that a FW DKoK army is not for you. Done. Over. Closed.

Look into cheaper alternatives for counts as - WGF Great Coats should be more affordable by far.

"I can't afford something, but I want it anyway, so I'll steal it." is not a defensible position.

Can't see how its stealing, its like taking a mold of a chest plate of any model and making green stuff copies. Saves you from buying chest plates, or taking molds of details off random stuff.

As long as you use them for yorself, and as you have already said only for personal use. Then I don't see an issue.

Whats probably also best is that you simply dont mention it and no one ever know

Anyone here consider why plastic and resin miniatures are so expensive?

Understand that if you buy a single mini, and make a hundred copies (thereby effectively nullifying a hundred potential miniature sales by eliminating a hundred miniatures' worth of demand), the price is only going to go up. You, the customer, are perpetuating the problem.

Beyond that, it depends on copyright law in your country, and it does vary. In the United States, what you are suggesting would be illegal. You don't need to sell or redistribute an unlicensed copy of a copyrighted product for it to be illegal in the U.S. However, I have no idea how copyright law works in the U.K.

In any case, I know you can't afford mass quantities of FW miniatures, but honestly that's no excuse to thumb your nose at the law.

SaintHazard wrote:Anyone here consider why plastic and resin miniatures are so expensive?

Understand that if you buy a single mini, and make a hundred copies (thereby effectively nullifying a hundred potential miniature sales by eliminating a hundred miniatures' worth of demand), the price is only going to go up. You, the customer, are perpetuating the problem.

Beyond that, it depends on copyright law in your country, and it does vary. In the United States, what you are suggesting would be illegal. You don't need to sell or redistribute an unlicensed copy of a copyrighted product for it to be illegal in the U.S. However, I have no idea how copyright law works in the U.K.

In any case, I know you can't afford mass quantities of FW miniatures, but honestly that's no excuse to thumb your nose at the law.

I think its pretty much the same over here.

Jokorey wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:I have no intentions to sell them god no. I just cant afford forgeworld miniatures I wonder why they make them out of resin rather than plastic

This makes it simple. It means that a FW DKoK army is not for you. Done. Over. Closed.

Look into cheaper alternatives for counts as - WGF Great Coats should be more affordable by far.

"I can't afford something, but I want it anyway, so I'll steal it." is not a defensible position.

For me, this is it.

The cost of setting up a good resin mold operation is probably more than if you just buy the mini's. Personally I don't care what you do. SH you have bought into a huge logic flaw in the anti-piracy argument. If you were never going to buy it, and you aren't going to sell it, you have not impacted the market. It is only when you introduce the forgery to market that you actually change dynamics.

tgf wrote:The cost of setting up a good resin mold operation is probably more than if you just buy the mini's. Personally I don't care what you do. SH you have bought into a huge logic flaw in the anti-piracy argument. If you were never going to buy it, and you aren't going to sell it, you have not impacted the market. It is only when you introduce the forgery to market that you actually change dynamics.

Not quite, most people ignore the "demand" half of supply and demand. Piracy is not a victimless crime, as every person who desires an item represents demand. If they obtain a supply without paying for it, they have essentially nullified the amount of demand equal to the number of that item they want.

If you want a hundred widgets, that's demand. A company then begins producing widgets to sate that demand. They produce one hundred. You buy one, and copy it so that you have only purchased one widget, but now have one hundred. The company now has ninety-nine widgets that they were expecting to sell to a customer who was demanding one hundred.

Piracy sates demand without moving the supply already manufactured to do the same thing. It unbalances the market and drives prices up, since the company has to compensate for the money lost manufacturing their supply.

My example is a bit of a simplification, but it encompasses the issue entirely.

OP wants three hundred DKoK miniatures. Say, along with the rest of FW's customers, he represents three hundred miniatures out of a demand of, for the sake of argument, a hundred thousand miniatures. If ten percent of those customers buy one miniature and make copies, that's essentially ten thousand miniatures (give or take) FW was unable to sell, and that costs them money.

Didn't we have a whole like 6-page thread full of flaming and troll wars going on over this topic a few months back? I believe the general consensus is that it's illegal no matter what. Whether you sell it or if you make one just for yourself, it's against the law (this is based on my understanding from the old thread - not personal experience).

That said, unless you flaunt the fact that you're beating the system by making your own copies, it'd be damn hard to catch you. All comes down to conscience at some point.

TBH, I agree with you guys and wish hadnt brought it up, I am quite simply and enourmas arsehole, I dont intend to do it anymore, it was only a fleeting thought.

Locclo wrote:Didn't we have a whole like 6-page thread full of flaming and troll wars going on over this topic a few months back? I believe the general consensus is that it's illegal no matter what. Whether you sell it or if you make one just for yourself, it's against the law (this is based on my understanding from the old thread - not personal experience).

That said, unless you flaunt the fact that you're beating the system by making your own copies, it'd be damn hard to catch you. All comes down to conscience at some point.

"The trick, Jacky, isn't living forever.

The trick is living with yourself forever."

Yes. Or some other laws. Or both.

Gwar! posted this in another thread.

Funny read.

It all depends on the laws where you are located. In some countries making copies of something you have paid for is legal, but only if they are solely for personal use. Now that is generally for video and music, such as an album or DVD. I am not sure if that would also cover physical objects such as models. I would suggest looking into local laws.

If it does happen to be legal, do not take the models to tournaments though.

SH my point was is you don't count non-buyers as demand. In supply and demand economics a non-buyer is not demand. Think of it like this, everyone wants a widget, but only 10% will buy one. Do you make a widget for everyone, or for the 10% that will buy it?

I think we've heard enough about this now.

And all the other times it has cropped up.

To be clear though, Dakka Dakka in NO way supports infringing upon anyone's rights in any way.

So...

...closed!