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Ok Simply rate it out of 5, 1 being "It's gak redo it", 3 being "It's Ok, needs a few tweaks", 5 being "OMG, you should own everything". Please suggest changes where possible

Hopefully its rated between 2-4 lol.

Yellow text is to show when one section ends and to easily see the total points.

HeadQuarters

Ethereal – 50 Points

Shas'o – Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Shield Gen, Hard Wired Multi-Tracker, Blacksun Filter – 135 Points

HQ Total = 185 Points

Elites

3x XV8 Crisis Battlesuit – Same as Shas'o – 285 Points

3 x Stealth Suits – 90 Points

Elites Total = 375 Points

Troops

12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife and Markerlight, Devilfish with Decoy Launcher and Targeting Array – 235 Points

12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife and Markerlight – 145 Points

Troops Total = 360 Points

Heavy Support

XV88 Broadside – Targeting Array – 80 Points

Heavy Support Total = 80 Points

Overall Total = 1,000

Well...I'm no expert myself, but I won't rate it above 3, for some reasons:

1. The Etheral - he's really not that useful, and even while he's cheap, I think you could use the points somewhere else.
2. No markerlights. While it is said that Tau can work without, I think if possible you should try to get a squad of pathfinders in there. They could prove very useful in negating that KFF save or increasing that BS to 5 against that special target.

Skip the Ethereal and the FW Devilsih, maybe even the Stealth suits...and get a pathfinder squad with mandatory Devilfish, then hand over the Fish to the fire warriors and deploy the Pathfinders directly to have markerlight support from turn 1.

Your XV8 suits are nice, but at 1000pts I'm not sure if you can rely on a single Broadside to take out heavy armour. If you can find the points, maybe add another Broadside? Railguns are arguably the best AT weapons in the game...

I'd drop the Ethereal, cause the fact that half your force may fall back is not worth the Furious Charge your forces gain. Stealth Suits are less versatile than Crisis Suits, and a little too expensive for what they do. However, they can be a good fire magnet the turn they deep strike (at least in my experience) which could allow for more mobility for your other units. The shield gen on the Shas'o should be replaced by two shield drones to increase the amount of wounds he has. Do the same for the Crisis Suits. Other than that, it's pretty much similar to my 1000 pt list. I'd give it a 3/5 right now, the Ethereal being your main problem. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the replies.

I presumed the Ethereal was gonna be a problem. I shall take note of the changes yous suggest and rework some of my list.

As is, 2. My recommendations, 4.

johnscott10 wrote:Ethereal –
Shas'o – Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Shield Gen, Hard Wired Multi-Tracker, Blacksun Filter –

As the others stated, toss the ethereal. The Shas doesn't need a BSF.

johnscott10 wrote:3x XV8 Crisis Battlesuit – Same as Shas'o – 285 Points

How are they the same? If it's the same load-out, then they're illegal ... which I can tell by the high cost in points. All three can't have access to wargear, meaning the hwMulti-Tracker. Instead, calculate this out:

XV8 Team Leader, PR/MP/TA hwMT and Bonding
Two XV8s - PR/MP/MT

That's a proper FireKnife unit.

johnscott10 wrote:12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife and Markerlight, Devilfish with Decoy Launcher and Targeting Array

Replace Decoy Launchers with the DisPod, far more useful. Dump the Target Array as an increase on one Burst Can ain't worth the points. It would be better to run the Warfish: SMS, TA, MT, DisPod.

Toss the FWarrior MarkerLight as you're disembarking and thus moving.

johnscott10 wrote:XV88 Broadside – Targeting Array –

A.s.s. is better, but okay. Definitely upgrade to Team Leader and then get him two Shield Drones, & Bond.

Brothererekose wrote:As is, 2. My recommendations, 4.

johnscott10 wrote:Ethereal –
Shas'o – Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Shield Gen, Hard Wired Multi-Tracker, Blacksun Filter –

As the others stated, toss the ethereal. The Shas doesn't need a BSF.

johnscott10 wrote:3x XV8 Crisis Battlesuit – Same as Shas'o – 285 Points

How are they the same? If it's the same load-out, then they're illegal ... which I can tell by the high cost in points. All three can't have access to wargear, meaning the hwMulti-Tracker. Instead, calculate this out:

XV8 Team Leader, PR/MP/TA hwMT and Bonding
Two XV8s - PR/MP/MT

That's a proper FireKnife unit.

johnscott10 wrote:12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife and Markerlight, Devilfish with Decoy Launcher and Targeting Array

Replace Decoy Launchers with the DisPod, far more useful. Dump the Target Array as an increase on one Burst Can ain't worth the points. It would be better to run the Warfish: SMS, TA, MT, DisPod.

Toss the FWarrior MarkerLight as you're disembarking and thus moving.

johnscott10 wrote:XV88 Broadside – Targeting Array –

A.s.s. is better, but okay. Definitely upgrade to Team Leader and then get him two Shield Drones, & Bond.

Just had a quick look at the codex and yea the XV8 team isnt legal, how i missed that ill never know >.> So currently this army list is a 0....


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HQ

Shas'o – Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Shield Gen, Hard Wired Multi-Tracker – 132 Points

HQ Total = 132 Points

Elites

XV8 Team Leader - PR/MP/TA hwMT and Bonding Knife – 77 Points
Two XV8s – PR/MP/MT – 104 Points

3 x Stealth Suits – 90 Points

Elites Total = 271 Points

Troops

12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife, Devilfish with Disruption Pod – 220 Points

12 x Fire Warriors – Shas'ui with Bonding Knife and Markerlight – 145 Points

Troops Total = 375 Points

Heavy Support

XV88 Broadside– Shas'vre,Targeting Array Shield Drone x2 – 120 Points

XV88 Broadside - Targeting Array - 80 Points

Heavy Support Total = 200 Points

Overall Total = 978 Points (If I have calculated properly)

I presume this is a decent list to start with, hopefully.

johnscott10 wrote:XV88 Broadside– Shas'vre,Targeting Array Shield Drone x2 – 120 Points

Vre upgrades across the codex are all pretty worthless. They increase the Init and WS stats, but not high enough to make any difference in h2h, which, always, you don't want *any* suits in. Just go with Team Leader and Bond. The points for the BK are worth rallying the b-side and by demoting from 'vre to Team Leader, you spend the same points.


The *only* time a 'vre upgrade should be taken, is when you're hot to get access to a Special Issue piece of wargear.

Which neither the CiBlaster nor AfProjector are all that great.

johnscott10 wrote:I presume this is a decent list to start with, hopefully.

List is a more solid '4' ... I suppose. 3.5 anyway.

A more solid '4' would be to give the second b-side Shield Drones as well.

I'd downgrade the 'o to an 'el: it's 25 points that you pay for 1 BS and 1 ld (the other stats don't really matter) and since you need all the points you can get with this old codex, it's too much.

I'd also, as Witzkatz said, replace the shield gen with a drone. The problem with a shield gen is: what are you going to do when you get hit with missile launchers (ID), hope for the best? With a drone you can assign the wound to the drone and if you fail it you have only lost the drone.

Stealth suits are not great. They can be a fun harassment unit but S5 shots are plentiful in the Tau codex so they don't bring anything new to the table.

Lastly, if you give a ML to the FW, then you might as well give him a TL too so he doesn't have to follow the target of the rest of the team.

Overall, it's a 3.

Thanks for the replies, i will further tweak my list once I get back from Uni.