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What are your thoughts on a Offical, GW Endorsed, Kroot Codex. KompletlyKroot made one, but I was wondering what you peoples thought on the subject. I SAY YESH!

I don't think there's enough for a complete codex as is. An allies list like they had in Chapter Approved though? Definitely.

I agree with brother SRM, that list was the bomb.
Chapter approved lists should come back.

Here the link to the current fan-made Kodex Kroot mentioned in the first post:
http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/5th_ed_kroot_mercenaries_army_list_by_kompletely_kroot_V5.85.pdf
(Kroot website http://z8.invisionfree.com/KompletelyKroot/ )

I'd like a full-blown Kroot list. I like Kroot

Yes it would be awesome, a little more filling out and characters would make the current fan codex perfect and maybe some manner of transport,vehicle,tank? I did start a kroot merc army earlier this year but it's been put away for the time while I work on some marines, a little more love and the predatory birds we all love could come back out! :-)

I stuck a exicutioner plasma cannon on a raider

JDM wrote:I stuck a exicutioner plasma cannon on a raider

Good for you...

I would love an all-Kroot list. I really think they need to remove the section in the Tau codex that only gives Kroot extra options in "forests or jungle".

Whenever I think of Kroot, all that comes to mind is this.

Yet another thing that White Dwarf is supposed to take care of but won't because it sucks.

I wouldn't mind, provided the Kroot aren't tying up someone like the Necrons, Dark Eldar (or not considering the news), or Daemons.

I think the writers of the codex badly need to review their work if they think the codex is actual usable:

- The Great, Greater and Baggage Knarlocs are way underpowered. Anything with 5 wounds, cavalry and a Dread sized base should be a Monstrous Creature. Rending is not a solution.

- The Master Shaper should be able to take a Great(er) Knarloc as a ride. It seems odd that he can't, especially with the art section.

- Vulture-Kroot seem weird and in terms of physics, impossible. Also that just makes another assault marine knock-off, but really, really bad. Maybe if they counted as cavalry that could ignore terrain like a jump-pack it would be nicely distinctive, as well as having the fleet upgrade.

- In a codex with no vehicles, there is no way to break AV 14 except for the odd meltagun or meltabomb.

- Almost every faction has some form of defence against shooting in addition to hugging cover. The Kroot don't, only 3 models have a save better then 6+, and those are a special character and two HQs, one of which gets a 4++ save, and is the only model to have it.

- Their only special character is really, really bad. Anghkor Prok is T3, W3, 75 point character with no ++ save, a 5+ armour save, IC so that he can be picked out, and grants fearless onto a joined unit with a 6+ armour save... The basic Master Shaper is 40 points, has the same statline, can take better gear including a 4++ save.

Those 35 points that make Prok better then a generic net you master-crafted on squads in 6", not Preferred Enemy, Fearless on the squad he joins despite having Ld10, and being unable to benefit from one of the better features of the codex.

I would take the Mastershaper over Prok any day.

Even though the shaper has a Kroot pistol which does nothing compared to the KR adding +1 A, actually why does he have the ability to take a PW+Kroot Pistol and still retain the Kroot Rifle? The rifle's only use is giving +1A, so the PW+Pistol means the rifle is unneccessary and should be traded for either a meltagun, stormbolter or Eviscerator so the Shaper is able to choose between PF or PW at I...

- With the army wide adaptations, its not likely anyone is going to take anything other than Ork Hybrid. Bold is not going to help out, Fast Reflexes could work if the army wasn't so fragile in combat, Acute Senses is not something thats ever worth buying IMO and the +2 to cover when Going To Ground may stack with the Fieldcraft, but that just means squads don't die provided they do nothing.

- The Psychic powers feel like someone likes the Circle Oroboros, but then decided to read the SW codex. If 40k's terrain rules worked liike Hordes/Warmachine maybe the powers would be something to consider.

- Headhunter Kindred and Stalker Kindred should be amalgamated, or give the Stalkers the Headhunter's poison weapon rule.
The Headhunters are a 30 point Shaper with nine 10 point Kroot who have 4+ poison in melee.

The Stalker Kindred is a 20 point Shaper with better special rules, and four 15 point Stalkers with enough rules to give them the tactical options to justify being an Elites choice.

I like the Kroot, but I also like not being curbstomped.

Is the old chapter approved list no longer legal?

MADLarkin wrote:Is the old chapter approved list no longer legal?

None of them are.

I think they should be like the space marines and give the tau 5th ed codex HQ's that can unlock certain types of armies. It would be nice if you had one named character and on generic HQ that would unlock a kroot army and give them special rules like Khan and the bike captain do for SM bikers. I think all the books should get HQ's that change around the FOC like SM get to give players more directions to take their army in.

cromwest wrote:I think they should be like the space marines and give the tau 5th ed codex HQ's that can unlock certain types of armies. It would be nice if you had one named character and on generic HQ that would unlock a kroot army and give them special rules like Khan and the bike captain do for SM bikers. I think all the books should get HQ's that change around the FOC like SM get to give players more directions to take their army in.

It's an interesting direction for the Codex(s), that I like. The Kroot Merc lists were playable with almost any army, (comparable to how Inquisitorial forces can play with most forces of the Imperium,)

For Kroot to function as a separate army they would really need more background added and some ability to take down heavy armour.

I suspect the new Dark Eldar codex will provide another 'counts as' option for Kroot, joining the Ork codex.

--B.

It just looks like they took of the mask of the Predator gave it a Tau's gun