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Ok my list.

Elite 1.
6 Wolf guards (joined to Gray hunters)
1 Wolf guard (joined to scout group)
1 Razorback


Elite 2.
5 Scouts (joined by Wolf guard)


Can i mount the 5 scouts + the wolf guard in the razorback and still outflank using 'Behind Enemy Lines'


Note: I understand i can do it with just the Guard + the scout.. the real question is what happens when i throw the razorback in there or can i even mount the squad in the razorback at the start of the game. I'm really kinda lost as how this would work. If i cant ill drop the razor from the list.

Not as far as I know.
When you join a wolf guard to a unit he counts as a member of that unit (i.e. a scout unit), the razorback isn't the scouts' dedicated transport so they can't start in it.

ok so next question.

We have a lot of people who bring drop pods for Squad X and use it on Squad Y, Is that legal?

No, only the unit that have bought it can start in it in the beginning of the game.
(Unless the unit Y is an IC who have joined unit X, which deep-strike together.)

No - also not legal.

You can combat squad X before the game begins, and deploy half of them on the board, the other half coming down in Drop Pod X. Or you can throw in an independant character (if he fits) with squad x also before the game begins, but its best to declare these things before the game begins.

Units can use an allied transport as long as the allied unit has already disembarked and they're within 2" of it and they all fit in. so your wolf scouts could mount an empty razorback provided they walked in off the edge of the board and then embark into the empty razback. It can't roll on the board edge with them in it!

drop pods are different, they start the game off the board.

You can combat squad X before the game begins, and deploy half of them on the board, the other half coming down in Drop Pod X.

False, atleast for vanilla marines. They combat squad when they arrive with the drop pod.

s.j.mccartney wrote:No - also not legal.

You can combat squad X before the game begins, and deploy half of them on the board, the other half coming down in Drop Pod X.

No, you cannot. Just like vanilla marines, they can only split into combat squads when they disembark from the pod. To simplify it, it's either deploy both halfs on the board, leave both in reserves with neither in a transport, or both in the same pod.

What you CAN do is have ONE wolf guard (not in terminator armour) attached to a Wolf Scout squad and put them in razorback.

No you cannot, there is a lot of misconceptions in this post here, ill set things straight. *puts on raw hat*

1. A dedicated transport has the caveat that only the unit that purchased it may start embarked inside. nondedicated transports, e.g ones purchased as heavy support etc, may have anyone start the game embarked inside of them.

2. Wolf guard that join a unit become that unit type. so they would no longer be considered wolf guard for ability to start embarked in the WG razorback.

3. So then no, the wolfguard joined scouts would not be able to bring the razorback along with them, nor would they even be able to begin embarked inside of it.

As to something else i saw, yes combat squadding is done on deployment, which the unit inside the pod doesnt actually do until the pod lands, so its either full squad or empty, no way to have half pod down with half sitting comfy in a building etc.

And how is that different from what I said.

But it's correct on all points and it's easier if it's in one post instead of scrambled around the thread.

well, i didnt say EVERYONE was wrong lol.

Ok just to clarify.

when all 7 or so wolf guards get split off to join the other packs the RZB (which was the WG transport) is still locked up allowing nothing to start in it because it "was / is" the wolf guard transport even though there are 0 wolfguard left in that squad?

Correct, although nothing stops you from deploying whatever you want to shove into the Razorback directly behind it and embarking in your first Movement phase.

Additionally even if the Scouts COULD deploy in the Razorback, the razorback does not have Scout or Infiltrate, and cannot therefore use OBEL - only if the Wolf Scouts themselves had a dedicated transport would Scouts, and only Scouts, be conferred to their transport.

so you have two issues: you cannot legally deploy int he 'back, and you cannot do what you want to do with it even if you COULD deploy in it.

Thank you all very much. I think my list for sat is finished. Its a Huge 2500 army turney list and im looking to have a LOT of fun with it.

Oh geeze, so much wrongness in this thread.

To give you the CORRECT answers:

No, the scouts cannot go in it pre game because it is not their DT.

You cannot buy a Pod for Squad A and have Squad B use it.

And no, you CANNOT have ONE wolf guard (not in terminator armour) attached to a Wolf Scout squad and put them in razorback.