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Can a basilisk fire sideways if firing barrage (out of line of sight too) is a more accurate question. I have seen multiple mentions of things like this.

Also, just to confirm, if you fire barrage, but have line of sight, do you still minus BS from scatter? Many players believe if you have LOS, you may minus BS off your scatter, saying barrage has nothing to do with subtracting bs, los does.

LOS determines whether you subtract the BS from scatter.

If you have LOS and the shot is outside minimum range for barrage, you can subtract BS from it (if inside minimum range, you have to fire it direct or it will auto-miss as it is not 'in range').

The first I have no idea (havn't read it, at school now)

The second one however, yes, barrage in LoS let's you reduce the scatter with you BS.

As far as Im aware a Basilisk, or any similar artillery piece, has an arc of fire of 45 degrees to its front. Not sure if this is an older edition rearing in my head tho. You can always pivot up to 90 degrees before firing tho IIRC

You can only pivot "for free" (with it not counting as moving) in the movement phase now, not the shooting phase.

The issue of "can it fire to the side" has been discussed before, a search may be worthwhile.

Ah, thought something wasnt sitting right in my memory. Cheers nos. Never considered firing sideways tho, might make that search myself too......

konort ranger wrote:As far as Im aware a Basilisk, or any similar artillery piece, has an arc of fire of 45 degrees to its front. Not sure if this is an older edition rearing in my head tho. You can always pivot up to 90 degrees before firing tho IIRC

This is 90% correct; Nos already mentioned the free pivot is in the Movement phase. I am only adding to back this up and put emphasis on a few words.

Arc Of Fire is exactly the words used in the brb; not LOS. Sure you can fire at something outside of LOS; but you CANNOT fire at something outside your Arc of fire.

::Man's Future-Flakk Cannons:: I know what some will say:

"But, Arc of Fire is in the LOS rules."
Yes, this is true, and you do use the Arc of fire to determine LOS; but you still have to fire within the arc.

Actually, those diagrams in the BRB are labelled "arc of sight" and are found in the "vehicle weapons and line of sight" section.

A related question. If I have line of sight with a basalisk but they would get a cover save, can I choose to fire indirect instead and take the extra scatter?

Yes and no, you can fire indirectly (Outside min range of course), but you don't get any extra scatter.

tp_1983 wrote:A related question. If I have line of sight with a basalisk but they would get a cover save, can I choose to fire indirect instead and take the extra scatter?

If you fire as Barrage, with LOS, you still determine cover from the centre of the blast AND you get the benefit of reducing scatter. You have no choice - you WILL reduce scatter, as you are in LOS.

Scott-S6 wrote:Actually, those diagrams in the BRB are labelled "arc of sight" and are found in the "vehicle weapons and line of sight" section.

Which is why you read the rules, not just look at the pretty pictures; the rules all state you "Fire" within the defined Arc(excepting the Sponsons which only state the Weapons "Cover" a defined area based on what they "should" be able to swivel/rotate)

Kommissar Kel wrote:

konort ranger wrote:As far as Im aware a Basilisk, or any similar artillery piece, has an arc of fire of 45 degrees to its front. Not sure if this is an older edition rearing in my head tho. You can always pivot up to 90 degrees before firing tho IIRC

This is 90% correct; Nos already mentioned the free pivot is in the Movement phase. I am only adding to back this up and put emphasis on a few words.

Arc Of Fire is exactly the words used in the brb; not LOS. Sure you can fire at something outside of LOS; but you CANNOT fire at something outside your Arc of fire.

::Man's Future-Flakk Cannons:: I know what some will say:

"But, Arc of Fire is in the LOS rules."
Yes, this is true, and you do use the Arc of fire to determine LOS; but you still have to fire within the arc.

You're still mad about this?


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That was what, six months ago?

MekanobSamael wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:

konort ranger wrote:As far as Im aware a Basilisk, or any similar artillery piece, has an arc of fire of 45 degrees to its front. Not sure if this is an older edition rearing in my head tho. You can always pivot up to 90 degrees before firing tho IIRC

This is 90% correct; Nos already mentioned the free pivot is in the Movement phase. I am only adding to back this up and put emphasis on a few words.

Arc Of Fire is exactly the words used in the brb; not LOS. Sure you can fire at something outside of LOS; but you CANNOT fire at something outside your Arc of fire.

::Man's Future-Flakk Cannons:: I know what some will say:

"But, Arc of Fire is in the LOS rules."
Yes, this is true, and you do use the Arc of fire to determine LOS; but you still have to fire within the arc.

You're still mad about this?


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That was what, six months ago?

What?

I was attempting to pre-empt the inevitable argument(I failed as Scott still tried it). That was all. Yeah the original discussion on this was about 6 months ago; and this is a new batch of questions concerning the same area of rules; so instead of waiting for the claim to be made that: "there is no such thing as arc of fire, only LOS" I went ahead and let everyone in on where the rules can be found and that they do in fact say "arc of fire(or equivalent)"