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is it true that the founder of the inquisition is a death guard loyalist?

he's not the founder of the Inquisition. Garro's,Tarvitz and Lokens Gene seeds are used to create the Grey Knights.During The HH the Inquisition is beging to be founded.

i read somewhere that a surviving loyalist from the death guard established the order that would become the inquisition shorty after the horus heresy

Have you read the HH books? the person your speak of is Captain Nathaniel Garro. Malcador the sigilite sends him on a mission to find more marines as loyal as him as pure in body mind and soul they all give their gene seed or pieces of it rather to create the 1st GK's. read Flight of the Eisenstein and you will find this out

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Captain_Garro

The Inquisition is an interesting creature to be sure. There is evidence of them when Magnus the Red and the Thouand Sons were 'on trial' so to speak for sorcery, so they certainly precede the Imperium. They don't seem to have any set date or person responsible for the founding, and if there is it's a highly secretive piece of information. As this is the Inquisition we are talking about, this would make sense. Supposedly you could trace down seperate sects of the Inquisition (in their official forms) at some point. The Ordo Hereticus was founded by Sebastion Thor in the wake of George Vandire's reign, but the Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus don't give out that information.

I don't think the Ordo Hereticus gives that information out either.

It's in the WH codex in the fluff bit i believe tht is what he is reffering to.

from what i know, yes, garro is one of the first grey knights or watever. but loken was virus nuked on istvaan in "galaxy in flames"

he's not dead dan abnett never confirmed his death mind you he never confirmed his survival either. its older fluff id have to find the source but apperently Garro,Loken and Tarvitz all stand b4 the Emperor b4 the battle of Terra

Can you please not use chatspeak and instead speak in English?

Regardless, the information surrounding the formation of the various ordos of the Inquisition is intentionally vague. The Inquisition is supposed to be a mysterious organization after all. Even Dark Heresy leaves the Inquisition wide open for interpretation.

As for Garro becoming an Inquisitor? As far as I know, only humans with pure genetics can become Inquisitors. But stranger things have happened. Still, generally speaking I prefer to think of the Inquisition as a human organization, most assuredly not an Astartes one.

Melissia wrote:I don't think the Ordo Hereticus gives that information out either.

lukesdabest wrote:It's in the WH codex in the fluff bit i believe tht is what he is reffering to.

Yep, I didn't mean to say that Witch Hunters hand out this info on pamphlets. The Ordo Hereticus is simply the only Ordos with a tangible founding period.

Melissia wrote:Can you please not use chatspeak and instead speak in English?

Regardless, the information surrounding the formation of the various ordos of the Inquisition is intentionally vague. The Inquisition is supposed to be a mysterious organization after all. Even Dark Heresy leaves the Inquisition wide open for interpretation.

As it should be.

As for Garro becoming an Inquisitor? As far as I know, only humans with pure genetics can become Inquisitors. But stranger things have happened. Still, generally speaking I prefer to think of the Inquisition as a human organization, most assuredly not an Astartes one.

I am not aware of any dogma forbidding genetic meddling, although you would just be faced with a Superhuman rather than an Astartes (which are two entirely seperate things). It was obvious enough that Garro (and co.) was inducted as a founding member of the Grey Knights in order to combat the emerging deamonic threat in the wake of the Horus Heresy. There is no doubt that the Astartes do not control the inquisition, they are entirely independant from it. On that note, are Grey Knights considered to be Astartes or something more?

They're considered something more. What with all being psykers, going through the soul binding and the 666 rituals. Codex fluff also suggests that their geneseed is descendant from the Emperor.

Melissia wrote:
As for Garro becoming an Inquisitor? As far as I know, only humans with pure genetics can become Inquisitors. But stranger things have happened. Still, generally speaking I prefer to think of the Inquisition as a human organization, most assuredly not an Astartes one.

The Inquisition is separate from the Astartes and it's not like he's linked to any specific legion anymore. The Ordos Mallus needed to start somewhere with someone who knew the demonic and had faced it before. The Imperium during the Great Crusade and Heresy had only rarely encountered Daemons previously and had only overcome them with brute force. It just so happens that the first "expert" they recruited was an Astartes.

While it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he wasn't the last one recruited, I'd presume it's extremely rare.

Also, I'm not certain he wasn't the first Grey Knight either...we probably won't know until they release more stories about Garro's history. I think there's two audio books dealing with Garro coming out soon, if they aren't out already.

Actually If you read the Bit about Garro, Qruze, and Kendel told by Malcador to Create a new organization it would seem that each were the founding members of the three branches(Combined to be the Inquisition as a Whole): Kedel and her Sisters being the founding of the Ordo Hereticus. Garro and Co being the founding body of the Ordo Maleus. And Qruze being the founding of the Ordo Xenos.

Although the Qruze case is wild speculation on my own part; Garro and kendel are almost Clearly the Founders(or Co-Founders) of their respective Branches.

once the 2 audio books become available it will definlty help us to know more

Fafnir wrote:They're considered something more. What with all being psykers, going through the soul binding and the 666 rituals. Codex fluff also suggests that their geneseed is descendant from the Emperor.

Their gene seed descended from Garro, hence the first gene-seed from Terra... a test tube.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Actually If you read the Bit about Garro, Qruze, and Kendel told by Malcador to Create a new organization it would seem that each were the founding members of the three branches(Combined to be the Inquisition as a Whole): Kedel and her Sisters being the founding of the Ordo Hereticus. Garro and Co being the founding body of the Ordo Maleus. And Qruze being the founding of the Ordo Xenos

This is a nice theory, but it does not fit the actual facts. The Ordo Hereticus wasn't formed until about five thousand years AFTER the Horus Heresy.

There was most likely some variation that was around at the time that dealt with witches, just not the Ordos Hereticus that we know *ahem* today.

As to where Garro finally ended up (either as an Inquisitor or the father of the Grey Knights) no final confirmation has been given yet. It'd be false to say with certainty that he was one or the other, at least, until his remaining stories come out.

Ordo Dakka wrote:

Fafnir wrote:They're considered something more. What with all being psykers, going through the soul binding and the 666 rituals. Codex fluff also suggests that their geneseed is descendant from the Emperor.

Their gene seed descended from Garro, hence the first gene-seed from Terra... a test tube.

i actually like this point alot it makes sense. aswell the gk gene seed is rumoured to come from the emperor its not a definit thing but after reading the HH books it becomes more apparant that the dene seed more than likley comes from the survivng loyalist marines of the traitor chapters(if that makes sense)