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Daemon Prince: x2
Daemon Prince
*Wings

Plague Marine Melta Squad:

7x Plague Marines
*Champion w/ PF + Personal Icon
*2x Melta Guns
*Rhino

Zerks in Land Raider:
8x Zerks
*Champ w/ PF +Personal Icon
*Land Raider w/ extra armor

Terms in Land Raider (dedicated transport):
5x Terminators
*IoS 4 LC 1 PF
Land Raider w/ Extra Armor

10x Lesser Daemons: x2

Havocs: x2
6x havocs
*4x Autocannons + IoCG



1999


Basically- DPs always seem to be a point sink. So- I'm gonna try to use them as a cheap/fast monsterous creature that can tank bust and be an annoyance behind enemy lines. Plague Marines sneak around and melta tanks... 2 havoc squads bust up speeders and troop transports... 2 land raiders carry around the pwn squads... daemons hop out wherever they're needed for support CC attacks or to cover objectives

Comments? Weaknesses?
Any input would be appreciated

Its a very small army.
There are shooty armies out there that destroy your two LRs at first sight.
Then your whole plan is gone and the Zerkers will be shot to bits next turn.
You can also expect problems vs. horde armies that simply overwhelm you.

hmmm- i was between 2 squads of PM with plasmaguns in rhinos or the 2nd land raider with the terminators ~ looking at the list I think the 2 squads of PM would definitely fill it out better


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Instead of the Term LR

Plague Marine Plasma Squad: (x2)
6x Plague Marines
*Personal Icon
*2x Plasma guns
*Rhino

1 raider with zerkers is ok. Just OK. Thats 220pts for a delivery system for 8 beserkers. You are better off with a 10 man squad if you don't put an IC in that unit.

Lesser demons are useful for nothing, so 2 x squads of them is twice as bad. I could see using 1 squad of 6 just to summon and hold a corner board objective. And that would be ok. Just OK.

Naked Demon Princes with wings aren't bad, but for 25pts each, they could have mark of slannesh and lash, and then everyone will want them dead that much quicker, and you will save yourself due to lash, one turn of walking up and getting shot up.

Havocs with autocannons are good, 6 man each is not good, 7 or 8 would be considerably better. You want some resilence before you start loosing effectiveness.

Plague marines are fine. You'll want 3 possibly 4 troops at 2000pts, if you want to win half the games that are objective based.

I haven't talked about 5 terminators in a landraider... not going to. Beserkers are much better for the points, and redudancy on landraiders is too costly. You want 2 more rhino embarked troops in stead, or three.

Sorry but no not really. I see several things wrong with it. Zerks? I don't remember seeing them in the Codex. Nor did I see any Terms. Terms of what? Terms of battle? Terms of victory? Why is a personal Icon needed for the Zerk champion. Am I missing some thing? I don't see any thing that needs to be brought on the field using it. I'm probably just missing it. That coupled with me not knowing what Zerk's or Term' s are. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

I don't think it' the best list out there, but I think you'll have some fun and cause some Chaos with it though. Remember...have fun.

swordbrotherjim wrote:Sorry but no not really. I see several things wrong with it. Zerks? I don't remember seeing them in the Codex. Nor did I see any Terms. Terms of what? Terms of battle? Terms of victory? Why is a personal Icon needed for the Zerk champion. Am I missing some thing? I don't see any thing that needs to be brought on the field using it. I'm probably just missing it. That coupled with me not knowing what Zerk's or Term' s are. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

I don't think it' the best list out there, but I think you'll have some fun and cause some Chaos with it though. Remember...have fun.

Ummm. Zerks = Khorne Berzerkers and Terms = Terminators...How do you not see them in the codex. They are pretty standard in any chaos marine list...

How can Daemon Princes be a point sink? Even with warptime they cost 175 points including wings which is very cheap. Just use basic winged Prince costs really cheaper.

Flyinmiata1 wrote:

swordbrotherjim wrote:Sorry but no not really. I see several things wrong with it. Zerks? I don't remember seeing them in the Codex. Nor did I see any Terms. Terms of what? Terms of battle? Terms of victory? Why is a personal Icon needed for the Zerk champion. Am I missing some thing? I don't see any thing that needs to be brought on the field using it. I'm probably just missing it. That coupled with me not knowing what Zerk's or Term' s are. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

I don't think it' the best list out there, but I think you'll have some fun and cause some Chaos with it though. Remember...have fun.

Ummm. Zerks = Khorne Berzerkers and Terms = Terminators...How do you not see them in the codex. They are pretty standard in any chaos marine list...

I think the point is to actually spell things out, maybe someone less fluent in "gamerspeak" may look at this list with crossed eyes, trying to figure out what's what... Remember, a public forum is for everyone to read, not just you. And maybe, just maybe, your list help someone else.

if someone can't figure something that simple out, they can ask about it. If he knows Terms are termies (OMG TERMIES AREN'T IN CODEX EITHER!) then it's stupid to waste thread space about it.

As for the original poster, my opinion is anything with lesser daemons is not effective.

Lesser daemons are one of the worst units in the entire chaos dex. They lack the guns and armor of even regular CSM, they aren't superior in combat, and they are less reliable.

My opinion is the opponent will take out the lone rhino on turn 1 (since the landraiders are AV14) thus you only have 2 units in transports. He can also target the daemon princes since the landraiders aren't on the priority list for ranged guns. The LR cost so much that the list lacks a decent number of assault troops. Chaos landraiders can't put out much firepower, so they're just really expensive buses.

If the enemy keeps his whole army bunched up and lets you get into melee the assault + daemon units might be effective, but the daemons only get that mobility Once. Say the enemy runs a melta squad up and blows up your termie landraider. Your daemon reserve roll comes up, do you place a unit of 5+ armor save daemons on the middle of the board where they get shot to hell next turn? Do you place them next to enemy where they get rapid-fired to hell by even basic lasgun spam? Do you put them in the corner where they're completely immobile?

470 points for 2 of your transports. 260 for the daemons. 215 points for 5 Termies.

That's basically 1000 points that I think you could get more performance out of from other means.
Example: add 4 rhinos full of 32 berzerkers with powerfist champs. Then you'd charge straight towards enemy with 6 rhinos + 2 daemon princes. No need to rely on summons and everything in your army would have a 3+ save or better.

Hits much harder on the charge than terminators + daemons, makes opponent choose which of the 8 threats to shoot at. Meltas less significant since melta-ing a rhino isn't as amazing as melta-ing a landraider dead.