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ok
me and some buddies of mine (flaming_spider & brother_thunder) got to thinking....
how many points would an ENTIRE chapter of space marines cost?
we did a rough estimate of the point total and got to around 80,000 points
but that was without wargear and a lot of stuff
so can we get an actual number here?
the world want to know

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$450 for a full Battle company

Which chapter? You could probably field the Soul Drinkers pretty cheaply. Theres a fandex out there for them too, which is incredibly well balanced.

Without wargear, it was 81,901 points. That was a full ten companies with all vehicles and everything. Even thunderhawks. What We would like to know is how many points would it be with wargear and if you did it all right instead of being lazy and half-assed. I would do it myself, but lack of a SM codex, and lack of knowledge about SM in general is getting in the way.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:You may want to begin your math here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1420009&rootCatGameStyle=

$450 for a full Battle company

yes yes
we know about that
but how much would it be for (because i'm a fanboy) the Ultramarines chapter?
points and dollars

I fully kitted company plus some support units from the armoury comes in at around 7000-8000 points. Cost me around £1000.

I would plan for approx 100,000 points and £15,000.

ETA, it depends a lot on the support elements. More recent chapters don't have a lot of armour or thunderhawks. The BA seem to have loads of thunderhawks and so many landraiders that they've started dropping them on the enemy.

Hi there here we go.

minimum cost for a full chapter of battle brothers...
1400 pts - 10 squads of scouts [I'm guessing]
8500 pts - 50 squads of tacs
4180 pts - 22 squads of assaulty
3740 pts - 22 squads of devs
800 pts - 4 squads of terminators
675 pts - 3 squads of vang
675 pts - 3 squads of stern
1000 pts - 10 captains
125 pts - chaptermaster
1150 pts - command squads
360 pts - 10 HG
600 pts - 1 MOTF + 10 techmarines
770 pts - 55 servitors
2500 pts - 10 libbies 10 epistolaries
1000 pts - 10 chaplains
+ more. this is the basic chapter + it's parts.

thats about 27475 points, I assume things like land raiders aren't included in the basic organization of a chapter, considering they're considered to be driven by 6th company marines.

You can fit just the marines in a battle company in 3000 with just their own equipment (so they have special and heavy weapons, rhinos, sergeants with PF/combi, and some upgrades on the command squad), but that doesn't include any tanks, dreds, speeders, or extra HQs (that's got a single fairly minor captain), and nothing big like thunderhawks.

the thing is you have floating points for any wargear options that arn't free.

i did the math once and came up with about 100,000 points for a codex chapter at full strength.

Indeed, just basic setups (no points spent on special weapons, and the cheapest heavy weapons on devastators) would indicate the following:

1 Chapter Master: 125 pts
5 Honor Guard + Chapter Banner: 210 Pts
1 Master of the Forge + 5 Combat Servitors: 170 pts
10* Techmarines + 5 Combat Servitors each: 1200 pts
10* Chaplains: 1000 pts
1 Epistolary: 150 pts
10* Librarians: 1000 pts
10 Captains: 1000 pts
44 Tactical Squads: 7480 pts
18 Assault Squads: 3420 pts
18 Devastator Squads (4 heavy bolters each): 4140 pts
5 Sternguard Squads: 1250 pts
5 Vanguard Veteran Squads: 1125 pts

* (I'm assuming minimum one per company)


22,270 pts total. This does not include vehicles-- because vehicles are often driven by the members of the reserve companies, including them would confuse the number of points. As for equipment ,because of the nature of Marines, they are more likely to make multiple deployments in a single warzone, and are also more likely to change setups between deployments, so they have a cache of special weapons and so on for each force commander to utilize upon each mission. As the squads of Scouts are an unknown from what I've been told, I left them out, but assuming ten squads, it raises the poitns to 23,670.

The basic point cost would not be that high (i think around 20k-25k), but would fluctuate greatly with wargear, and the specific Armour that the chapter were bringing to bear (as landraiders, predetors and dreadnoughts can be re-tooled, and weapons&wargear can be easily swapped in the armmoury), as many of you have already pointed out, but that's really beside the point because the point system is meant to make skirmishes balanced not measure the strength of entire chapters, regiments, PDF's, craftworlds, etc.

my thoughts anyway, sorry if the thread was long dead.