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Alright everybody it seems ive talked myself into buying another army even though im backed up on my painting ( think 100 models lol). Im going to be buying a bunch o Ogres off a guy tommorow locally. Il be getting :

1 Tyrant
1 Butcher
8 Ironguts
18 Bulls
8 leadbealchers
48 Gnoblars
2 Gorgers
1 army book
1 Ninja Maneater( for the lolz)

im getting this for 250 canadian ( about $200 american ). They arent painted but they are all put together. I plan on running 3 Units of Bulls ( 3X3 ), Units of Ironguts ( 4 ), no idea on the leadbealchers( I hear they suck but I like the idea of cannon toting Ogres!), Gnoblars for Horde goodness, Gorgers for anti warmachine and as stated Ninja Ogre for games with friends ( I mean come on a goddamn Ninja Ogre!). So I could use general Ogre tactica, I will buy more models depending on general consensus here. I understand they are not a very competative army but I love their fluff ( When I want to be competative il pull out my Skaven or even VC).

Ogres can own in 8th edition, I think!

That looks like a great start, I'm not an ogre player but have faced them once. It wasn't pretty, and that was even in 7th edition. With full attacks from the second rank, they're even scarier now...

I do think you'll want bigger units, but I'm not sure of the exact size to suggest. Units of 3 I feel are too small for almost any unit in 8th edition, although 4 may be right for ironguts, I just don't know.

Units of 6 and 8 are good for the big fellas, I think...

Units of 6-8 are perfect.

although some people are having luck with Hordes of Bulls(10x3-4) 3 ranks of ogres fighting is just nasty.


That is a pretty good force your getting. i would consider getting(making your own) a couple of Scraplaunchers too. Str3 Pie plates that have Killing blow are just awsome sauce. you can buy a Rhinox from GW and stick something capable of flinging/shooting stuff at the enemy. everything from Greatcannons chained to the back to Leadbeltchers riding one has been done. the main thing is the GW Scrappie doesn't come with Instructions and is a bunch of little tiny pieces of pewter.

Okay, in general, I've found that Horde Ogres work better than an MSU-style list.

That said, here's what you're going to need overall.

-Tyrant
-Slaughtermaster
-BSB

-At least one big unit (there are arguments for Bulls and for Ironguts--personally, I prefer Ironguts, but it's a bit of all your eggs in one basket).
-At least 2 units of Bulls
-At least 2 units of Gnoblars
-2 Scraplaunchers
-2 Gorgers

Any other points you have, at this stage, can go to whatever you like and you'll have a decent army. It make be possible, if you take a horde of bulls, to take 3 Gnoblar units and 3 Scraplaunchers, but you have to watch out for "hard" targets in that case. You really cannot afford to lose a combat with Ogres in 8th edition.

Looks like a great deal. Come visit us over on the Ogre Stronghold for Ogre goodness.

Man Eaters aren't the best in 8th so I'd run your ninja as the tryant or BSB bruiser.

Blocks of 6-3x2 seem to be the new standard or you could go with the Bull Horde. Bulls are typically run naked and this gives a few bonuses-they're cheap, they have armor piercing and against 2 handed units they will strike first. However due to the low Initiative they will usually strike last and WS 3 sucks. Iron Fists are cool but they cost points and you lose armor piercing but they will allow you extra attacks and a parry save.

2 Gorgers are great, 1 is meh cause there is a chance they will not show up early.

As for Rares and Specials it's all about Gorgers, Giants and Scrap Launchers. Our Slavegiants lose stubborn but they are cheaper and running with one of them means you opponent will be focus firing on him generally and not your Ogres. Scraplauncers are a chariot that shoot pie plate templates with killing blow! Leadies are great models but not so useful, I doubt you will ever field more then 4 unless you get into giant 3k battles or something, like the Giant they are more of a psycological factor on your opponent, though a good dice roll is awesome, while a bad one can mean the loss of your unit as a result of a misfire.

Gnoblars are great at 2pts a pop they can really tarpit a unit while your Ogres hit em in the flank. And with shooting from the 2nd flank that could mean 40 attacks if 10 wide coming at someone charging them.

Be aware of our many rules
1. Must have Tyrant or Bruiser
2. Must have 1 unit of bulls per unit of gnoblars taken
2. Must have 1 unit of gnoblars for each scraplauncher taken

Enjoy the Tyrant maybe the best lord/hero choice in the game, with fencer blades, greyback pelt and glittering armor I hear they are damn near unkillable. Also people will say Thundermace is great, and it is but Tenderiser doing 4-5 attacks that cause D3 wounds will drop even Giants, Hydras and Dragons quick.

But the best thing about Ogres is that they have the best back ground of any army in the game. 10+feet tall behemoths that migrate across the land eating everything, people, trees, rocks, metal everything in their path. Then the are the gnoblar "slaves" much like a monkey or dog that looks up to people and try to imitate us, the act of earmarking them with an Ogre bite to the ear or nose to claim the gnoblar to an ogre. The "might is right" is as true to them as it is with Orcs. One story in the book involves a tyrant who dies choking on his great grandson's skull who challenged him to a duel for the head spot, and as tradition was devoured by the victor.

And act like an Ogre when you play, stop around like you weigh 800 pounds threatening to eat people.

Thunder mace is really good if your against a horde unit. Gnoblar fighters you just put them against any enemy unit their just there to act as a tar pit. Ogre bulls in a horde is really scary I hate it when an opponent has one. Also lead bealchers are good you blast the enemy with them then charge them in the flank.

Wow, great Ogre advice .

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Tyrant, Butcher and 6 Iron guts in 1 unit - 4x2.

BSB, Slaughtermaster (Give him thundermace for giggles) and 6 iron guts in 1 unit 4x2.

Bull unit (because you have to).

Puts up a pretty damned impressive wall, and against any 5 wide ranked unit, every one of your models in each of the large units will get to fight, if front on. The units make a hell of a mess of whatever they hit.

Mmmm, Ogres... Must not start third tiny army ... who knows...

Ogres in a Horde flatten stuff. This I know, because I field one.

Just cobbled together my second Horde, this time Ironguts.

Geez what point level do you need to be playing at to effectively field an irongut horde?

You can't actually run IGs in a true horde as you need a minimum of 18 ogres and IGs can only have 16.

16 IGs is 768 points without any upgrades and then there is a minimum of 200 points in 2 Bruiser. naturally you want some wargear for the bruisers and the IGs will also want the Runemaw and a bellower. 1k easily.

and the problem is that once you take any casualities you lose attacks.

for 1k you can get 25 bulls with ironfists. 4 ranks at 6 wide plus an extra ogre. more bodies and wounds for the same amount of points, with buffs they become even more resiliant.

you will have to lose 23 wounds before you start losing attacks with the bull horde.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

BSB, Slaughtermaster (Give him thundermace for giggles) and 6 iron guts in 1 unit 4x2.

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Thundermace is tyrant only check out faq

While just theoryhammer, I don't think Leadbelchers are as bad as all that. What is it, 32/6=5 shots per average, with a 17% of misfire. Also, the misfire isn't nearly as bad (IMHO) as regular black powder guns.

And after that they are essentially Ogres. Their weapons are very similar to Dwarf organ guns, except half range (though no range penalty), less str and piercing, can't have runes, obviously, and you have to spend a turn reloading. But they cost half as much and they're attached to mobile Ogres. Not only that, you can have have a unit of 5 of them.

If you're not scared of 5 organ guns pointed at you, I don't know what you're scared of.

i know the potential is there.


i have found that the fear of what they can do is better then what they usually do. any actual damage is a bonus

DukeRustfield wrote:While just theoryhammer, I don't think Leadbelchers are as bad as all that. What is it, 32/6=5 shots per average, with a 17% of misfire. Also, the misfire isn't nearly as bad (IMHO) as regular black powder guns.

And after that they are essentially Ogres. Their weapons are very similar to Dwarf organ guns, except half range (though no range penalty), less str and piercing, can't have runes, obviously, and you have to spend a turn reloading. But they cost half as much and they're attached to mobile Ogres. Not only that, you can have have a unit of 5 of them.

If you're not scared of 5 organ guns pointed at you, I don't know what you're scared of.

I think Leadbelchers are WAY too unreliable. For them to have the same stat line as Bulls, I'd rather just take the extra Bulls and save those extra points for a scraplauncher or more gnoblars. IMO Scraplaunchers are most terrifying thing in the ogre book Big temp str 3 killing blow and still decent in CC sign me up

Just picked up some ogres at an auction this weekend! Will likely just use them as a unit of ogres for my WoC, but it is tempting to start yet another project...

Hargus56, your post is the most convincing I've ever seen for someone to start ogres . Very nice!