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im not taking fire prisms so save your time and dont recomend them

Farseer (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Doom+Guide
Spirit Stones+Runes of Warding

Farseer (HQ) @ 120 Pts
Doom+Guide
Spirit Stones

5 Fire Dragons (Elites) @ 190 Pts
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Shuriken Cannon

5 Fire Dragons (Elites) @ 190 Pts
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+ TL Shuriken Cannon

10 Dire Avengers (Troops) @ 277 Pts
Exarch w/Bladestorm+2 Catapults
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Scatter Lasers

10 Dire Avengers (Troops) @ 277 Pts
Exarch w/Bladestorm+2 Catapults
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Scatter Lasers

10 Dire Avengers (Troops) @ 277 Pts
Exarch w/Bladestorm+2 Catapults
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Scatter Lasers

5 Dire Avengers (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Bright Lances

5 Dire Avengers (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Wave Serpent w/Spirit Stones+TL Bright Lances

Vyper (Fast Attack) @ 60 Pts
Scatter Laser (x1)

Vyper (Fast Attack) @ 60 Pts
Scatter Laser (x1)

Models in Army: 61
Total Army Cost: 1996

Devastator wrote:im not taking fire prisms so save your time and dont recomend them

Amen.

That looks very solid although I wonder if you risk getting caught short on anti-tank.
Conspicuous lack of Heavy Support but I honestly can't think of a good reason not to take the extra Serpents instead.
Vypers add a sweet cheap annoyance factor. I wonder if you can find points for EMLs on them instead?
Yep, that would scare the pants off me. Nice one.

I would consider two Falcons instead of the Serpents for the 5 DA man squads

serpents are better than falcons imo

Eldrad might also be a better choice than those two Seers


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Serpents are better upclose but at 24" away Falcons become alot better than serpents.

nope as good as elrad is he can only be at one place at time
and i can throw 4 powers compared to elrads 3

i dont have points for holos and there is little point to take falcons without holos

Eldrad is a lot more versitile than those Seers, he can fortune both your FS serpents first turn and then on top of that guide a Falcon. Doom times two is seldom that needed.

This is what I would go with, more durable, much better AT and only slighly worse anti horde.

HQ:
Eldrad = 210

Troops:
10xDA (Exarch+Dual+BS) = 152
Serpent (Stones+BL) = 145

10xDA (Exarch+Dual+BS) = 152
Serpent (Stones+BL) = 145

10xDA (Exarch+Dual+BS) = 152
Serpent (Stones+BL) = 145

5xDA = 60

5xDA = 60

HS:
Falcon (EML+Cannon+Holo+Stones) = 185

Falcon (EML+Cannon+Holo+Stones) = 185

Elites:
5xFDs = 80
Serpent (Stones+Cannons+Cannon) = 120

5xFDs = 80
Serpent (Stones+Cannons+Cannon) = 120

I agree with the above comments that the list lacks some anti-tank - as a rule I find that 2 units of fire dragons are only good against 2 targets at best, so you'd better prepare some back-up, and that means heavy support choices - if you don't want fire prisms (why not, by the way? don't like the model?) then take falcons with EML as heavy support, or war walkers with EMLs.

I think you're taking too many DA units - 3 is enough, more tends to cut into your points, since they're units that are useless against any sort of vehicle and mediocre against marines. Vypers, also, are not great IMO, I wouldn't take them until I'd filled out my HS choices, which offer much better firepower.

Wouldn't you rather bolster the two five man DA's to one ten man. They would only have to use on Wave Serpent then. The point you would save could be spent on something better... (no, im not refering to a fire prism)

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I agree with the above comments that the list lacks some anti-tank - as a rule I find that 2 units of fire dragons are only good against 2 targets at best, so you'd better prepare some back-up, and that means heavy support choices - if you don't want fire prisms (why not, by the way? don't like the model?) then take falcons with EML as heavy support, or war walkers with EMLs.

I think you're taking too many DA units - 3 is enough, more tends to cut into your points, since they're units that are useless against any sort of vehicle and mediocre against marines. Vypers, also, are not great IMO, I wouldn't take them until I'd filled out my HS choices, which offer much better firepower.

indeed, I would probably consider droping a 10xDA squad for 3xWWs and 3xVypers

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I agree with the above comments that the list lacks some anti-tank - as a rule I find that 2 units of fire dragons are only good against 2 targets at best, so you'd better prepare some back-up, and that means heavy support choices - if you don't want fire prisms (why not, by the way? don't like the model?) then take falcons with EML as heavy support, or war walkers with EMLs.

I think you're taking too many DA units - 3 is enough, more tends to cut into your points, since they're units that are useless against any sort of vehicle and mediocre against marines. Vypers, also, are not great IMO, I wouldn't take them until I'd filled out my HS choices, which offer much better firepower.

prisms dont fit in my playstyle and they dont really do anything that other units can do

those 5 da squads are for serpents
vypers are underrated

imo eldar dont have any good heavy choice other than walkers

tedurur wrote:Eldrad is a lot more versitile than those Seers, he can fortune both your FS serpents first turn and then on top of that guide a Falcon. Doom times two is seldom that needed.

so he is one trick pony?
and still he is only one dude he cant be anywhere and that is reason i dont take him
when my army splits he is stuck with one part while the other is helpess
this is why i take two seer they are more versitile

to the at-problem
most tanks have medium rear armor and that is good prey for my S6 guns

Devastator wrote:

tedurur wrote:Eldrad is a lot more versitile than those Seers, he can fortune both your FS serpents first turn and then on top of that guide a Falcon. Doom times two is seldom that needed.

so he is one trick pony?
and still he is only one dude he cant be anywhere and that is reason i dont take him
when my army splits he is stuck with one part while the other is helpess
this is why i take two seer they are more versitile

yes thats exactly what I said your seers on the other hand is the definition of a one trick pony. They can boost your DAs and thats it. They effectivly makes your DA squad into a 300pt squad

im NOT taking elrad is it clear?

oh, yeah. Thats right. You are the one that posts list here and no matter what never change anything.

oh really
now im a idot for not bowing before your massive ego
i can have opinions too

Don't turn this into a catfight. If the man doesn't think it will work for him, don't take it the wrong way.

Oh, no doubt. I dont care whether or not someone heeds my advice. I just dont find it useful to post in a thread where the OP posts a list simply for posting it and never has any intention to change anything.

if i find any reason to change the list i will
i already said why i dont take elrad and falcons

follow your own advise and gtfo

Well, my only advice would be to drop one wave serpents and use the points to bolster your vypers. Personally, I would take advantage of each vehicles capacity and pack it to the rafters.

Well, that got dramatic fast. Sorry to the OP, you don't have to take anyone's advice, but it is a little odd to put up an army list, then say that your current choices are the only ones you find acceptable anyway.

I would cut back to 3 DA units and take as many war walkers as possible. Wave serpents are good, but don't put out much firepower compared to walkers. And even if you do like vypers, it's hard to deny that war walkers do a lot more damage for similar points. (they're not fast, but they're not open-topped and can gain cover far more easily too)