Is it possible for Terra to be a necron tomb world?

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**Bradskey**

I mean, not all necrons have woken up yet and couldn't, theoretically, necrons be underneath the soils of Terra?
Or would the officials there have somehow found out the world was 'cron-less?

What do you think?

Brad.

**Lokirfellheart**

I think the emperor, with his immense psychic powers, would detect them. It would be cool if it was though.

**CommissarCandlestick**

Chances are, they would know if it was a tomb world, as they need the Emperor to be kept safe and any threats, no matter how small, would be noticed and destroyed if possible. Even if Terra was a tomb world, the amount of troops on Terra would be able to contain and destroy them quickly. (Lexicanum claims there are likely quadrillions living on Terra).

**Golden Sabres**

If there were necrons on terra, they would be destroyed good and propa easily. I'm pretty sure there are necrons on mars though... I remember that the emperor trapped the void dragon (second most powerful C'tan, next to the outsider) there.

**Bradskey**

If there were significantly large tombs on the surrounding worlds and on Terra then that would potentially be a threat.

Plus, could the emperor really do anything? Crons have nothing to do with the warp (as that's where he resides).

And even though there are so many people on Terra, wouldn't that be an advantage to the crons? It would cause massive public unrest and fear which would hamper the military in the area.

I reckon it would make a cool campaign if it was possible with the final battle taking place in the throne room. Yeah, I know 'Impossible' is all I'm gonna get here but it sparks the imagination

**Spinfire**

i thought that most people who enter the throne room get they're brain fried? hence why most pyshkers that survive are blind

**Melissia**

I'm fairly certain that Horus would have destroyed any Necron Tomb on the planet when he bombarded it so damn hard he cracked the crust and turned anywhere that wasn't the Imperial Palace into a dessicated, lava-filled hell.

**Azure**

Spinfire wrote:i thought that most people who enter the throne room get they're brain fried? hence why most pyshkers that survive are blind

Which would only help the Necrons as they'd not be affected by it in the least, being soulless automatons anymore.

**1hadhq**

Necron Tomb worlds are lifeless planets. They planned for undisturbed sleep.

Terra doesn't fit, had always tons of lifeforms.

The creature the Emperor incarcerated on Mars isn't clearly defined, so it could be from Terra or just a 'visitor'.
IMO a crashed necron ship or remnants of the 'war in heaven' are most likely the source of this creature.

**Melissia**

More likely the remnants of the Void Dragon after a last batch attempt to destroy it failed, but severely injured it and caused it to drift through space... eventually leading to a conflict with the Emperor who was able to defeat it in its weakened state without becoming too injured himself.

**Tactical Nuclear Panda**

In the Mechanicus it stated that the emperor defeated the void dragon on earth long ago, in medievil times but couldnt kill it, so he cast it to mars so the people who moved there would benifit from the techology, not sure how those connect lol, but thats what it says

**1hadhq**

Again, this creature is called void dragon? Anyone up to link to a background piece where it is called so?

I believe Mechanicum sticks with Dragon, like any other hint on this.
Mechanicum, page 358-366:

Spoiler:

The necron codex sticks with 'Dragon' too.

So how does it become Void Dragon ?

Additionally, Terra ( earth) was never a tomb world as per this HH novel.

**KingCracker**

Yea but wouldnt it be impossible for the Necrons to be detected by psychic means? They are souless and all that and are basically invisible to psykers and such right?

**Melissia**

Necrons aren't soulless.

**Cheese Elemental**

They're definitely soulless. IIRC, the codex even states that the C'tan devoured their souls, leaving them as mere automatons. It's not the same as carrying the Pariah gene, which results in the bearer being alive without a soul.

Necrons are robots, basically pre-programmed bodies. The possible exceptions are Lords and Immortals, who were the first Necrons.

**Golden Sabres**

Cheese Elemental wrote:They're definitely soulless. IIRC, the codex even states that the C'tan devoured their souls, leaving them as mere automatons. It's not the same as carrying the Pariah gene, which results in the bearer being alive without a soul.

Necrons are robots, basically pre-programmed bodies. The possible exceptions are Lords and Immortals, who were the first Necrons.

They do have souls. They are just described as soulless. The definition of Necron is the souls of the Necrontyr in their necrodermis shell.

**Lizar7**

Necrons aren't soulless like pariahs, they technically have souls. I don't think it matters anyways because they erased tomb worlds of all life before going into stasis so their enemies wouldn't bother with the planets they hid on. Not to mention humanity has delved pretty deep under terra's surface although maybe not deep enough, I'm not absolutely sure about that.

**necrongod**

im thinking that it probably isnt but seeing as the void dragon WAS on earth that most likely it was once a tomb world

**Gogsnik**

1hadhq wrote:Again, this creature is called void dragon? Anyone up to link to a background piece where it is called so?

So how does it become Void Dragon ?

In the background story The Cripple and the Dragon Inquisitor Horst recounts an Eldar myth in which he states that the Eldar named it the Void-Dragon. But you are correct, that in other publications it is simply the Dragon. I myself always stick to just Dragon as it keeps the name consistent with the other C'tan who all have a single word name.

It might be worth mentioning that it is in this background that tells us that the Dragon was/is the most powerful of the C'tan and for the Eldar it was Oblivion itself.

As to whether Terra is or was a Tomb World it seems highly unlikely. As already mentioned, all Necron worlds were scoured of life right down to most primitive single celled organisms to keep the Enslavers away. During the period of the War in Heaven and subsequently Earth has always had abundant life so it seems improbable in the extreme.

The Eldar myths about the Dragon are incomplete. The Dragon decided to increase its power to the utmost before marching to battle alongside its uber 'Crons but Vaul had already created the Talismans of Vaul, the Blackstone Fortresses but the Dragon took the form of a cloud of dark light in order to devour the local suns and after that we don't know what happened. Presumably the Dragon was hit by one or more of the Talismans while in this state which would fit with the entity the Emperor later imprisoned within the Noctis Labyrinth which is in itself a name reminiscent of the Dragon's dark light form.

**Grotzooka**

If Terra was a tomb world, all the digging and building and making palaces out of Mt. Everest business would have uncovered them.

**The Unforgiven Saint**

Pavonis was also a tomb world. The resting place for the Nightbringer at least.

It had abundant life. Rather I would say that whilst they might have been eradicated at some point life still returns.

Didn't the dinosaurs go extinct around this time?

Perhaps the meteor was flung by the Dragon because it didnt have time to do it the good and proper way.

Just a thought.

**1hadhq**

@ Gogsnik: thanks

@ Grotzooka: yes, necron structures would have been found. Things surviving that long and looking remarkably alien cannot go unnoticed.

Hm, Pavonis wasn't a home-world of a race like Terra. I think the point of mechanicum was the creature delibaretly hiding and feeding on a populated planet
instead of stasis on a tomb-world.

But this all got me a new idea.
Which I hope isn't that bad...

A creature we have hints to be a C'tan has to flee and seeks refuge/recovery at old earth.
The Emperor defeats that creature and binds it. This happens at 11th-12th century. Clearly eye witnesses see it as a knight vs a dragon which is a valid description if you live in that age.
-Unknown is how and when he moved it to Mars.
-Unknown is where He kept it before it was put into noctis labyrinthus.
-Unknown is what he did or did not do with his catch before the mechanicum was founded.

So:
Maybe the Emperor used the creature to level up technology. Where humans slowly moved on over thousands of years, suddenly it got a speed bump and a few hundred years see the rise from pointy sticks to aircrafts and tanks. Now, if we assume he secretly lead humanity in its advance, why should he not improve
the tech to reach the stars? Why should he not have the "dark age of technology" upon mankind?
But the creature tricked him and the iron men rebelled.
After this catastrophe mankind was prey for the threats outside and inside its realm. Xenos and powerhungry warlords warred for control.
Until the Emperor regained control at terra and united mankind again, but this time made sure to be known and abandoned his tactics of secrecy to lead
directly. He separated dutys to many organizations and one of them was the Mechanicum ( which was prepared to supply his plans ).
Independent AI's had proven to be corruptible and so he to base the new Imperium on Manpower. But the creature was still useful and thus kept at Mars.
The Heresy didn't unchain the creature as far as I know and it should be still there.

**Grotzooka**

1hadhq,
According to Mechanicus, your theory is mostly correct.

Spoiler:

**Retribution**

Cheese Elemental wrote:They're definitely soulless. IIRC, the codex even states that the C'tan devoured their souls, leaving them as mere automatons. It's not the same as carrying the Pariah gene, which results in the bearer being alive without a soul.

Necrons are robots, basically pre-programmed bodies. The possible exceptions are Lords and Immortals, who were the first Necrons.

The C'tan fed / feed on physical life-force, meanwhile the soul is a part of the warp

**Orlanth**

Seeing as Mars is a form of Tomb World the bots wouldnt need to make #Terra one also. Besides if they did it would have had to be done very long ago, and be deep enough so that we, as in th current humans dont find it.

Though I suppose regardless of who does dig deep enough to unleash the Necrons Obama will get BP to pay the cleanup bill.

**Grotzooka**

Orlanth wrote:Though I suppose regardless of who does dig deep enough to unleash the Necrons Obama will get BP to pay the cleanup bill.

Oh ha ha.

**Forsakenname**

Lizar7 wrote:Necrons aren't soulless like pariahs, they technically have souls. I don't think it matters anyways because they erased tomb worlds of all life before going into stasis so their enemies wouldn't bother with the planets they hid on. Not to mention humanity has delved pretty deep under terra's surface although maybe not deep enough, I'm not absolutely sure about that.

I think you have to decide what you personally consider the soul and what the 40k universe considers the soul to answer the soulless / not soulless debate. Some would say that the soul and mind are separate entities, So if the Necrontyr had their consciousness encased in a metal body that would be substantially different than if you said their soul was trapped inside the body. Personally I don't think the actual soul is inside a necron and they are technically soulless.

I know in the necron codex there is a bit of fluff where Fabius Bile or some other chaos commander is communing with a demon who tells him that the Necrons are killing people in droves and that their souls are being cast adrift into the warp. From this I would suggest that the Necrons have no interest and or understanding of the "Soul" as it is defined in the 40k universe.

also not all tomb worlds were devoid of life and technically the Necrons could have selected a tomb world only to have some other race come along and Teraform the planet into being habitable so I would say tera could be a tomb world though it's highly unlikely.