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The title pretty much says it all. Does the Adepta Sororitas' Shield of Faith protect the sisters from the Eldar Warlock Destructor power? Also, could the Destructors be dispelled by their Inquisitor's penitents?


Thanks in advance,

sarukai wrote:The title pretty much says it all. Does the Adepta Sororitas' Shield of Faith protect the sisters from the Eldar Warlock Destructor power? Also, could the Destructors be dispelled by their Inquisitor's penitents?


Thanks in advance,

Yes. Both work.

Warlock Powers are still Psychic powers, they just don't need a test.

Gwar! wrote:

sarukai wrote:The title pretty much says it all. Does the Adepta Sororitas' Shield of Faith protect the sisters from the Eldar Warlock Destructor power? Also, could the Destructors be dispelled by their Inquisitor's penitents?


Thanks in advance,

Yes. Both work.

Warlock Powers are still Psychic powers, they just don't need a test.

While Warlocks are explicitly stated to be psykers, the warlock entry just says "given a single Warlock power at the points cost listed" while the page containing "Farseer Psychic Powers" and "Warlock Powers" describes a warlock power as "A Warlock's power is available permanently, so he does not need to take a psychic test to use it".

Further, the Destructor rule says "It is worked out like a normal shooting attack with the following profile" note that it is a normal shooting attack, not a psychic shooting attack.

I would argue that by RAW, they infact are not psychic powers, however, Destructor is specifically stated in the FAQ to be a Psychic Shooting Attack, so if you are playing using the GW FAQs that would apply.

Essentially, the answers remain unchanged for the specific question of Destructor targetted at either of these units, but I disagree with the blanket statement that "Warlock Powers are still Psychic powers"

Drunkspleen wrote:While Warlocks are explicitly stated to be psykers, the warlock entry just says "given a single Warlock power at the points cost listed" while the page containing "Farseer Psychic Powers" and "Warlock Powers" describes a warlock power as "A Warlock's power is available permanently, so he does not need to take a psychic test to use it".

Further, the Destructor rule says "It is worked out like a normal shooting attack with the following profile" note that it is a normal shooting attack, not a psychic shooting attack.

I would argue that by RAW, they infact are not psychic powers, however, Destructor is specifically stated in the FAQ to be a Psychic Shooting Attack, so if you are playing using the GW FAQs that would apply.

Essentially, the answers remain unchanged for the specific question of Destructor targetted at either of these units, but I disagree with the blanket statement that "Warlock Powers are still Psychic powers"

All psychic powers that are shooting attacks are worded in the same manner. Not taking a psychic test does not make it pass shield of faith, as it protects against psychic powers, not psychic tests...

Each warlock is a psyker, they use warlock powers which do not require a psychic test. How did this exclude them from being psychic powers?

Actually Destructor is not a normal shooting attack; it is only "worked out like one".

Functions as does not equal.

Sans GWFAQ explanation; Destructor would be an unspecifed attack, that happens to function as a normal shooting attack.

I used the terms "would be" in the above for a very particular reason; that being that if you take the rules out of context, you have an unspecified attack.

But; if you take everything in context(it is very important in reading GW's rules that you always look at the context when things are not spelled out plainly): the fact that a Warlock is a Psyker, and in the same sentence as you are told they are psykers, you are told you must give them a Warlock power; then the warlock powers must be psychic powers(especially when you take into account that the warlock power rules tell you that you do not need to test to use them, which is a rule only necessary for Psychic powers).

Ordo Dakka wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:While Warlocks are explicitly stated to be psykers, the warlock entry just says "given a single Warlock power at the points cost listed" while the page containing "Farseer Psychic Powers" and "Warlock Powers" describes a warlock power as "A Warlock's power is available permanently, so he does not need to take a psychic test to use it".

Further, the Destructor rule says "It is worked out like a normal shooting attack with the following profile" note that it is a normal shooting attack, not a psychic shooting attack.

I would argue that by RAW, they infact are not psychic powers, however, Destructor is specifically stated in the FAQ to be a Psychic Shooting Attack, so if you are playing using the GW FAQs that would apply.

Essentially, the answers remain unchanged for the specific question of Destructor targetted at either of these units, but I disagree with the blanket statement that "Warlock Powers are still Psychic powers"

All psychic powers that are shooting attacks are worded in the same manner. Not taking a psychic test does not make it pass shield of faith, as it protects against psychic powers, not psychic tests...

Each warlock is a psyker, they use warlock powers which do not require a psychic test. How did this exclude them from being psychic powers?

It's the entirety of the evidence though, not one thing, I'm not saying simply the fact it says it is worked out "like a normal shooting attack" is sufficient to declare it to not be a psychic power, it's the fact that not once is it referred to as a psychic power.

To put it bluntly, and use a familiar argument, there are as many rules explicitly calling Warlock Powers "Psychic Powers" as there are saying I can pick up a hammer and smash your models.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Actually Destructor is not a normal shooting attack; it is only "worked out like one".

Functions as does not equal.

Sans GWFAQ explanation; Destructor would be an unspecifed attack, that happens to function as a normal shooting attack.

I used the terms "would be" in the above for a very particular reason; that being that if you take the rules out of context, you have an unspecified attack.

But; if you take everything in context(it is very important in reading GW's rules that you always look at the context when things are not spelled out plainly): the fact that a Warlock is a Psyker, and in the same sentence as you are told they are psykers, you are told you must give them a Warlock power; then the warlock powers must be psychic powers(especially when you take into account that the warlock power rules tell you that you do not need to test to use them, which is a rule only necessary for Psychic powers).

As mentioned above, not once is this explicitly stated, you can infer things from the rules, but your inferences do not equate to RAW.

The Warlock Powers are never called psychic powers, nor is it necessary for them to inherit psychic power rules to function.

There is no RAW which makes them psychic powers, only destructor could be open to things that affect psychic powers since it is a psychic shooting attack (per the FAQ)

While they are never referred to as psychic powers, Warlocks are referred to as psykers. it doesn't say anywhere in the rulebook that you have to take a psychic test for it to be a psychic power.

There really is no RAW solution here, just another example of GW not wording their codexes properly. If you wanted you could probably claim that Shield of Faith doesn't affect Warlock powers. I'll claim Ahriman and Njal aren't psykers then

Ordo Dakka wrote:While they are never referred to as psychic powers, Warlocks are referred to as psykers.

Yes, but psykers can have abilities that are in no way psychic abiliteis, see for example, Zoanthropes with Warp Field, while the fluff suggests that it's a psychically based ability, there's absolutely no reason to believe that it's a psychic power, it's simply an ability they have, much like, in my opinion, a warlock power.

it doesn't say anywhere in the rulebook that you have to take a psychic test for it to be a psychic power.

This is absolutely true, but once again, doesn't deal with the issue at hand. It's an ability that is never referred to as a psychic power which happens to mention it doesn't require a psychic test. While it's natural to infer that perhaps it is a psychic power then, that's not really how RAW works.

There really is no RAW solution here, just another example of GW not wording their codexes properly. If you wanted you could probably claim that Shield of Faith doesn't affect Warlock powers. I'll claim Ahriman and Njal aren't psykers then

Of course, the only power shield of faith could affect is destructor, which is FAQ'd to be a psychic shooting attack, but I simply wanted to make the distinction that if something could disable or ignore Psychic powers (I think the Daemonhunters Null Rod can, although going off memory here) it would not be sufficient to ignore the always on unit buffs. Other than that though, yes, assuming we are playing entirely by RAW (which is altogether unlikely given the vast number of absurdities that can cause) we would both be entitled to make such claims.