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so in about one month i will be entering inot a 2250 tournament. comp is not scored and most players feild some pretty nasty stuff. It is always six turns. no random game leangth. One tactic that has gotten a lot of wins is to try to steal the objectives late game with skimmers (eldar... grumble grumble).
HQ
bike captain with thunder hammer 165pts
Trooops
8 bikes + attack bike w/ Multimelta, 2 meltaguns, fist 310pts
Scout speeder w/ multimelta and 5 scouts w/ Melta bomb and combi melta 155pts
ELite
2 Ac/Ac dreadnaught 250pts
Drop pod with 10 sterngaurd w/ 3 combi melta, 3 combiu plasma, 2 meltaguns, Fist 360pts

Fast attack (yea.. i know the scout speeder should be listed here but its being used by the scouts)
3 HB/HB speeders 180pts
2 Melta/HF speeders 140pts
Heavy support
6 Devs with 3 HB 153pts
6 Dev with 3 HB 153pts
8 devs with 4 ML 198pts
Razor w/ TL las cannon 75pts ( razors are with the HB dev squads).
Razor with Las/Plas 75pts
I realise that i am lacking on counter assault and that i have almost no troops. The idea is to wipe my foe from the board. since they cant win if they get massacred. I could swap the HB devs for ML devs and then swap the ML devs for HB's. also i am still short 35pts. I was thinking of just taking Khan that way i can get a bit more outflank.?

I was with you until the sternguards has melta guns, and then your FA and HS choices has me wondering what was up.

First, you are more likely to get mileage out of more combi-meltas and some combi-flamers on those sterns. Combi-plasma are alright, but considering Sterns have special issue ammo to either 1) Wound high toughness creatures or 2) ignore most armor saves, it feels like they are redundant compared to the other options.

Why so many Heavy bolters at the end? Wouldn't another bike squad make more sense then the dev squads, and cost about the same? You would get more shots, more maneuverability and a scoring unit. I don't think you really have enough to table every game anyway, so having only one true scoring unit WILL be your downfall in some games. Swap around your speeders and dev squads for shooty bike squads, even if you don't feel they are as effective (though I would argue that point) you will have tripled your real scoring units while maintaining the anti-infantry.
I like the 4 ML's, but I feel the rest of your HS is all over the place, that would be the first place I switch up.

I dont have more bikes so thats that. I cant afford to buy more so i am jsut going to try and make do with what i have. Also... i dont have any combiflamer sterngaurd either, but i could change that. one reason that i am taking so many plas though is so that i can deal effectivly with the dual tervigon list that i know will be there, as well one guy will be fielding a ton of terminators as his troops so plasma will work well there. as for changing up my HS. i dont have to many options. This is the best i could do.

HQ
bike captain with thunder hammer 165pts

8 bikes + attack bike w/ Multimelta, 2 meltaguns, fist 310pts
Scout speeder w/ multimelta and 5 scouts w/ Melta bomb and combi melta 155pts
10 Tac marine squad w/ fist, Las Plas Rhino 250pts

2 Ac/Ac dreadnaught 250pts
Drop pod with 10 sterngaurd w/ 3 combi melta, 3 combiu plasma, 2 meltaguns, Fist 360pts

Fast attack (yea.. i know the scout speeder should be listed here but its being used by the scouts)
3 HB/HB speeders 180pts
2 Melta/HF speeders 140pts

2 AC/Las Predators 240pts
8 devs with 4 ML 198pts

4 Mulitmelta, 4 meltaguns, 4 combi meltas... probably to much melta for most jobs.
4 Missile launchers
6 AC
5 Las cannon.
i have the anit tank handled but is there a need now for more HB. should i switch the dev squad from ML to 4 HB. That would bump my list to 10HB.

Heavy Bolter's aren't a very good weapon. At all. If you are looking for something good, just use Missile Launchers on your Dev's and change those HB/HB Speeders to Typhoons.

That gives you long range anti-tank as well as long range anti-infantry.

No Command Squad on Bike Special Weapon Spam?

No Libbies? You know at 2k+ points games, it almost necessary to bring nullzone and psychic defense.

You can opt to drop the lone Tac Marine squad, this list is probably all-in.

IMO, drop HB Speeders, Get typhoons. That will be the source of your ML spam.

Drop Devas, replace with Predator Annihilator with Lascannon sponsons. AV 13 is good.

This list needs some focus.

Pick a direction and go from there.

HQ
bike captain with thunder hammer 165pts
Trooops
8 bikes + attack bike w/ Multimelta, 2 meltaguns, fist 310pts
Scout speeder w/ multimelta and 5 scouts w/ Melta bomb and combi melta 155pts
ELite
2 Ac/Ac dreadnaught 250pts
Drop pod with 10 sterngaurd w/ 3 combi melta, 3 combiu plasma, 2 meltaguns, Fist 360pts

Fast attack (yea.. i know the scout speeder should be listed here but its being used by the scouts)
3 HB/HB speeders 180pts
2 Melta/HF speeders 140pts
Heavy support
6 Devs with 3 HB 153pts
6 Dev with 3 HB 153pts
8 devs with 4 ML 198pts
Razor w/ TL las cannon 75pts ( razors are with the HB dev squads).
Razor with Las/Plas 75pts
I realise that i am lacking on counter assault and that i have almost no troops. The idea is to wipe my foe from the board. since they cant win if they get massacred. I could swap the HB devs for ML devs and then swap the ML devs for HB's. also i am still short 35pts. I was thinking of just taking Khan that way i can get a bit more outflank.?

Firstly you need more troops. 8 Bikers and 5 Scouts is no where near enough. What you want is firstly ditch the hammer on the Captain and take a relic blade and storm shield for S6 power weapon and 3+ invulnerable, remember he's T5 thanks to the Bike so he's a bit of an animal.

Bikers should be units of 10, which includes a Attack Bike. Give all units except one double meltaguns and multi melta on the Bike, the other unit should have double flamers and multi melta - combat squad this one so the flamers together and multi melta bike on it's own with a sgt who has a power fist.

Dreadnoughts ok.

Sternguard with a single Pod are not ok. Ditch them get a 3rd Dreadnought.

Speeders should be multi melta or typhoon config, forget everything else. heavy flamer is ok with multi melta.

Forget the Razors as they've gonna get hit with anti armour as it's the only armour you've got. Devs are seriously messed up. You should give them missile launchers as those are the best all round weapons.

Here's a Dread-Bike list I wrote sometime ago. Got more Dreads in than your list:

http://www.imperiusdominatus.com/2010/02/army-lists-dreadnoughts-bikes-with-hint.html

Ok... so revamping the list. Thanks to all who have commented
@ Mercer~ thanks for the heads up on the list.
hows this read. Im working with what i have and trying to restrict buys just to fill the list out. Save $, etc.

Bike Captain with Relic Blade and Storm Sheild. 180pts

5 Bikes with fist and 2 flamers 175pts
4 bikes + attack bike with Melta, 2 melta guns 210pts
5 scouts w/Melta bombs and combi melta 90pts
10 Tactical Marines with Ml, HF Fist 195pts
Rhino 35pts

Iron clad dread w/ 2 hunter killers, HF, Meltagun 165pts
drop pod 35pts
Dread with Melta/HF 115pts
Drop pod 35pts
AC/AC dread 125pts

Scout speeder with Melta 65pts
3 HF/Melta speeders 210 pts
3 scout bikes with combi melta/ melta bombs 85pts

Predator Las/AC 120pts
8 devs w/ 4ML 198pts
8 devs w/ 4ML 198pts
2236pts

I absolutely like it better, but you really need to find one more drop pod to make those first two worthwhile. Maybe drop in the tactical squad as an objective holder? You want 3 pods total, so you can drop the 2 dreads in first turn.
I am assuming you send the captain with the flamers? I kinda like that actually.

Magister187 wrote:I absolutely like it better, but you really need to find one more drop pod to make those first two worthwhile. Maybe drop in the tactical squad as an objective holder? You want 3 pods total, so you can drop the 2 dreads in first turn.
I am assuming you send the captain with the flamers? I kinda like that actually.

I agree the three drop pods are definitely needed. You should buy one for the Dakka dread and drop it empty onto an objective.

Well, I doubt that this Biker approach is going to work.
At the 2250 pt level, you could fill all HS, Elite, and FA slots.

Any suggestions wuestenfux.
i was also thinking about doing a PEDRO, bike captain list. More on that later.

So this list is an effort to try and mold what i have into a more cohesive force. I dont want to have to go out and buy all the components of a spam net list. That is not interesting to me and IMHO is a big detractor to the way the 40k is evolving. Thats why i like comp. The majority dont so spam is what everyone ELSE fields. I am trying to do things without just spamming ML everywhere etc. So here we go... pedro with less spam.
Pedro Kantor
Librarian with null zone and (the ap3 template....cant remember the name and no codex handy).

10 sterngaurd with drop pod, Powerwfist, 2 combi melta, 2 melta guns, Hy flamer and combi flamer
10 sterngaurd with drop pod, Powerwfist, 2 combi melta, 2 melta guns, Hy flamer and combi flamer

10 Tactical marines Las/ plas and powerfist w/ Rhazorback with t/l las cannon
10 tactical marines Meltagun with fist, plasma pistol, and droppod
5 scouts with combi melta and melta bombs

3 melta/Hf speeders
2 Hb/HB speeders
Scout speeder storm w/ Mulit melta

2 las/Ac predator
8 devestator with 4 ML

Avenger for Librarian is the flamer nice choice btw.

Combi wepaons only on Sternguard, but not flamers because puts yourself in charge range and you cannot fire after firing rapid fire bolters or switch to bolt pistols and you want to be shooting. Plus, Sternguard are anti troop anyway.

Single Razorback and Predator will get bummed quite early on. Best take troops all in Drop Pods or all in transports, personally I'd go Pods only because that's a less cost to you ££.

Heavy bolter Speeders are not cool, you want Typhoons.

Ditch the Pred get more Devs but keep in min squads to reduce points.

So something like this:

HQ

Pedro Kantor

Librairan - nullzone & avenger

Elite

10 x Sternguard w/ Drop Pod - 4 x combi meltas

10 x Sternguard w/ Drop Pod - 4 x combi meltas

10 x Sternguard w/ Drop Pod - 4 x combi meltas

Troops

10 x Tactical Marines w/ Drop Pod - meltagun & multl melta - sgt w/ combi melta & power fist

10 x Tactical Marines w/ Drop Pod - meltagun & multl melta - sgt w/ combi melta & power fist

10 x Tactical Marines w/ Drop Pod - meltagun & multl melta - sgt w/ combi melta & power fist

Fast Attack

Land Speeder w/ multi melta & heavy flamer

Land Speeder w/ multi melta & heavy flamer

Land Speeder w/ multi melta & heavy flamer

Heavy Support

5 x Devastators w/ Drop Pod - 4 x missile launchers

5 x Devastators - 4 x missile launchers

5 x Devastators - 4 x missile launchers

That's a better structured list. I know you said no spam, but honestly, what you suggested for 2k + isn't that good at all. :(

Thanks. i will feild something close to this. as i am short of some of the sterngaurd and drop pods i will build as close to this as i can and let you know the final build as the time draws nigh for the tourni.

Losing that Sternguard unit and Drop Pod would be fine, won't cause too much problems.