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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 04:30:32
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Been Around the Block
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Lords: 470 pts
Grey Seer 240
screaming bell 200, 2x Warpstone token 30 (15ea.)
Heros: 384
plague priest 100
plague furnace150, lv.2 mage 35, foul pendant 30, plague censer 16
Warlock Engineer
warplock pistol 8, Doomrocket 30
Core: 940
40x Clanrats 160
8/8/4 command, 20 shields
40x Stormvermin 280
10/10/5 command, 40 shields, 50 Storm Banner
40x Stormvermin 280
10/10/5 command, 40 shields,
Special: 305
40x Plague Monks
10/10/5 command
Rare: 400
Doomwheel 150
Hellpit Abomination 235
Warpspikes 15
total 2499
The strat is simple be fast and aggressive early so you can take a flank hard and cause crumble. Also up for improvement/ alterations as need be.
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Iron Kights 1850
1500, needs help lol
2000, dosnt work anymore due to changes in rules
Bretonnians up to 4,000 points
Tomb Kings are WIP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 04:36:55
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Lord of the Fleet
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Hmm I'd get rid of the clanrats and 1 unit of stormvermin for slave units. could be very useful. You could then get a warp lightning cannon and/or a BSB with left over points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 13:53:26
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Been Around the Block
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My only issue with that is loosing the unit pushing the bell
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Iron Kights 1850
1500, needs help lol
2000, dosnt work anymore due to changes in rules
Bretonnians up to 4,000 points
Tomb Kings are WIP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 13:56:24
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Lord of the Fleet
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Oh I assumed that the stormvermin were pushing the bell. Well you could instead remove both stormvermin for a boatload of slaves and a 2nd doomwheel or a cannon and/or a BSB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 19:12:38
Subject: Re:2500pt Skaven list
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Regular Dakkanaut
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BSB is required in a Skaven army. I would also dump one unit of Stormvermin for all kinds of things and replace it with 2x as many slaves.
Slaves can be shot into while in CC, slaves are dirt cheap and can survive forever on rank bonus and enginerd leading them.
Cannons are awesome, I would also punch up the army with some mortars but really weapon team of any sort is good.
So really the swap is simple:
Drop: 40x Stormvermin = 345
Add: 2x Mortar =130
1x Cannon = 90
1x BSB+ hand weapon = 72
25x slaves with muscian = 52
Total = 344
Now I would make the slaves unit bigger but that would take more working of the list... This is why Stormvermin are highly desired but rarely used, because for their points you can do sooooooooo much more. But meh play the list WITH A BSB, and see how it goes and go from there. Realize 1 cannon is 45 slaves, 1 mortar is 32 slaves... Must get more slaves... or go to 3000 points... muahahahahah must get more ratses!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/01 23:03:10
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Lord of the Fleet
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To increase numbers of slaves, you could ditch the shields on the stormvermin still there. Thats like an extra 20 bodies!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/06 18:19:28
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Been Around the Block
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My question is to why everyone likes slaves? I used them in a previous list and they ran form 5 archers. But I can see where the cannon and BSB would be nice now
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Iron Kights 1850
1500, needs help lol
2000, dosnt work anymore due to changes in rules
Bretonnians up to 4,000 points
Tomb Kings are WIP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/06 18:56:22
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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They ran from 5 archers? How many were left? With sufficient ranks and near the general, you ought to be LD 10. Re-rollable with a BSB...
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“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/07 02:19:30
Subject: Re:2500pt Skaven list
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Been Around the Block
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Definitely drop one or both of the Stormvermin. It's a 2500 point list and you only have 4 rank and file units. You should have many more than this. Outnumbering the enemy units is a must. And I agree with everyone else about the BSB. Absolutely essential for Skaven. Try more units of clanrats or a unit of slaves. I never take more than one unit of slaves though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/07 02:32:22
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Lord of the Fleet
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Slaves are good becuase they are one of the cheapest pointwise units ever! And have no limit! so only having slave core isnt a bad idea for lists without weapon teams or bells to push becuase you'll match the enemy easily with several 50 man blocks that still cost cheaper than core they go up against. Coupled with shooting into combat and you got a nasty tarpitter that doesnt care for a WLC or Doomwheel hits them and makes good anchors for ogres or HPA to smash into.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/07 07:25:24
Subject: Re:2500pt Skaven list
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well the poster above is close... and dead on about a number of them Let me run the list why slaves are the best unit in WHFB:
1) They are 2 points per.
2) They are 2 points per.
3) They only require a musician and 2 points per.
4) Clanrats are 2x the cost.
5) Stormvermin are 3.5x the cost.
6) They occupy all your core needs, so you can get cheesy stuffs and have more than enough block units.
7) They can be shot into.
8) They explode wonderfully.
9) Steadfast
10) BSB and Generals that are close but not too close.
11) They die just about the same as Clanrats and Stormvermin for WAY less points.
12) For 15 pt. warlock they have the same LD as Clanrats and Stormvermin, and when he gets kicked to the back... they still have a 5.
13) When you accept the challenge and your warlock gets beat like Rodney King your slaves go tact. nuke on them all your choice.
14) Did I mention they are 2 points per model?
15) Cause a 200 man block of anything makes people crap themselves.
16) Because of the new shooting rules things with templates do not random... aka WLC, Mortar, Warpfire, Death Globe, Brass Orb, Catapults, etc.
17) They do not cause panic checks when they go poof assuming you placed them correctly.
18) Cause Doomwheels look good next to them and I promise you won't miss the 6 points.
19) Cause there is no other model in the game that gets a ward under any circumstances for 2.5 points per.
20) Cause when you skitterleap the assassin outta your unit pushing the bell and have him charge units in the rump supported by Gutter Runners your whiskers feel funny.
21) Did I mention they are the same toughness as almost everything else at only 2 points a model?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/07 08:47:27
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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I think you forgot to mention their cheap price. OP: As long as the slave units are 40+ with musician you should be fine. Shields as a possible extra.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/07 10:05:02
Subject: 2500pt Skaven list
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Been Around the Block
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Also, Grey Seers start with D3 warpstone tokens, there is no reason to pay the 30 points. That's almost a huge unit of slaves right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/09 09:25:02
Subject: Re:2500pt Skaven list
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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you can also get wizards hat for you grey seer since he has 100 points of magic items to use up and because of wizards hat is you get a level 2 and any lore. Take lore of life and first do throne of vines the flesh to stone. TOUGHNESS 7 SLAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!. If you take another lore i would take shadow becaus if you have 50 of them you will be having LD 10 slaves and if you get the mindrazor one and you change the other one into the signature spell you first do the signature spell and make it the mmore powerfull one and then do the mindrazor one. say they are fighting a oger unit I think there initiave is 3 so you roll a d3 and the is what you take away from there I,WS,BS and movement. your slaves will be hitting first on 3s then wounding them on 2s since there strenght is there LD that would be some dead oger since 50 slaves are horded.
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